When Tyson laughs as he dismisses philosophy as "pointless" he reminds me nothing so much as a high school bully who has just visited an indignity on his victim. And, as in high school, nobody much seems to mind.

I don't know why this kind of thing is so popular among physicists who don't know any post-World War II philosophy of science or any pre-World War II history of science (one could do worse than starting here). See Stephen Hawking telling Google that "philosophy is dead" and Lawrence Krauss calling David Albert a "moronic philosopher" in a manner which suggests the phrase is pleonastic for him.

It's maybe not so weird how often philosophy's enemies end up just doing bad philosophy themselves.

Anyhow, it was very nice to read Damon Linker's take-down of Tyson's philistinism here. Depending on your meta-philosophical commitments you might be tempted to split hairs with respect to Linker's epistemology-centric characterization of the philosophical tradition. But what he writes isn't implausible, and he's clearly getting a very large part of the tradition correct.


Consider:

If the natural philosophers truly wished to liberate themselves from dogma in all of its forms and live lives of complete intellectual wakefulness and self-awareness, they would need to pose far more searching questions. They would need to begin reflecting on human nature as both a part of and distinct from the wider natural world. They would need to begin examining their own minds and motives, very much including their motives in taking up the pursuit of philosophical knowledge in the first place.

Philosophy rightly understood is the mind's rigorous, open-ended, radically undogmatic pursuit of this self-knowledge.

Even though I might quibble, that strikes me as pretty beautiful. And in any case, the end of the article will I think resonate with anyone in the hair-splitting biz:

If what you crave is answers, the study of philosophy in this sense can be hugely frustrating and unsatisfying. But if you want to understand yourself as well as the world around you — including why you're so impatient for answers, and progress, in the first place — then there's nothing more thrilling and gratifying than training in philosophy and engaging with its tumultuous, indeterminate history.

Not that many young people today recognize its value. There are always an abundance of reasons to resist raising the peskiest, most difficult questions of oneself and the world. To that list, our time has added several more: technological distractions, economic imperatives, cultural prejudices, ideological commitments.

And now Neil deGrasse Tyson has added another — one specially aimed at persuading scientifically minded young people to reject self-examination and the self-knowledge that goes along with it.

He should be ashamed of himself.

It's very nice to seem people with Linker's and Andrew Sullivan's and Rod Dreher's readerships sticking up for truth and beauty. Dreher rhetorically wonders how people would react if Sarah Palin told children that it was pointless to pursue the kinds of questions Linker flags.

I wonder more broadly how it became acceptable in contemporary academic culture to condescendingly dismiss whole areas of discourse with which you have the most fleeting familiarity. Many of us are hardly better than Tyson et. al. with respect to this kind of bullying. If we didn't so often go in for just this vice ourselves, we'd be in a much stronger position to respond when it's directed against us.

It's clearly no accident that two of the best responses to the anti-intellectualism of some famous physicists have been put out under the aegis of Simon Critchley's The Stone. See Gary Gutting and Jim Holt separately discussing the phenomena with respect to Kraus in two of their Stone pieces (here and here).

For all sorts of reasons (not least of which is our continued employment) it occurs to me how lucky we are that Critchley, Gutting and others have created a successful space for public philosophy where the null hypothesis is to assume that interlocutors are of good will and well informed.

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15 responses to “More Neil deGrasse Tyson awfulness”

  1. Sylvia Wenmackers Avatar

    Most of my former collegeagues in physics think philosophy is useless. (They don’t seem to realize that their own attitude is a philosophy.) A minority is interested in history and philosophy of science, but even for them it rarely influences their daily work. And that’s fine!
    When I was in the lab, I also had the feeling that I just didn’t have the time to ponder over philosophical issues (even though I wanted too): there were samples to prepare and spectra to analyze.
    Likewise, Neil deGrasse Tyson is already doing so much: reaching out to a large audience about science. If he succeeds in making young people enthusiastic about science, he has done a wonderful job. Soon enough, these people will start asking questions of their own. And these questions will include philosophical ones, I am sure of it, for you just can’t separate science from philosophy a binary way.
    The goal of Cosmos is to popularize science, all of it. Presenting such a multifaceted thing as a magnificent whole requires a lot of simplification. With that goal in mind, it is also not difficult to see that the show has to pass over many subtleties of the interactions between the sciences and other human acitivities, including philosophy.
    Maybe someone could make a Cosmos-like production about philosophy. That would be great. Meanwhile, I give the Cosmos team the benefit of the doubt.

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  2. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    But the views of he, Kraus, et. al end up making a mockery of the history of science (i.e. the Cosmos treatment of Bruno).

    A quote from the discussion at Dreher’s page:

    Years ago I had the pleasure of knowing the physicist, Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker. I was present when he gave a lecture at MIT and remarked that he felt the reason the early quantum physicists had the depth of insight they had was due as much to their classical education as it was to their training in physics. Being German, of course, Goethe was a major influence on his own background. I was sitting near some young MIT physicists, who shook their heads, wondering what he was talking about. It was a revealing moment.

    I’ve read so many biographies of the giants who made the key discoveries in special and general relativity and quantum physics, and nearly without fail they had broad and deep humanistic educations which show up strongly in the context of discovery with respect to their groundbreaking work. Read about what English and German students had to master in high school during the 19th century. It’s more than what undergraduate humanities majors have to master today. Maybe the sheer volume of knowledge necessary to do basic science makes this impossible now, but pretending that something hasn’t been lost is a serious distortion. Tyson’s Cosmos falls short to the point of dishonesty here.
    I think at some level Feynman knew this when he compared himself to the greats he met and his nasty comments about philosophy are a defensive reaction to this. I don’t know what motivates the others.
    Secondly, Hawking’s ignorance of post World War II philosophy of science leads them to unknowingly make many of the same mistakes of pre World War II philosophers.
    Finally, as Gutting and Holt argue, there just are lots of philosophical questions relevant to the actual practice of science. Just consider the demarcation problem. Two prominent physicists have written books arguing that String theory is bullshit and that political concerns have crowded out more promising approaches. Vast sums of money are going into research involving killing animals that has never had any clinical application and very likely never will. There are serious concerns about statistical fallacies being committed routinely in social science literature. Psychology does a very bad job of smushing together the normative and descriptive. etc. etc. etc. Then consider the social issues concerning evolution and global warming where much hinges on the proper philosophical interpretation of the theories.
    A scientific culture hostile to philosophy is not just bad for philosophy but for science.
    We ought to be allies in the disinterested pursuit of truth against vulgar pragmatism, but Tyson aligns science with that vulgarity against philosophy (“. . .you can’t even cross the street because you’re distracted by deep questions you’ve asked of yourself”). But the cultural trope of only feeling good about yourself if you put down someone weaker is just too strong.

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  3. Sylvia Wenmackers Avatar

    The simplification and high pace required for popularization sometimes requires making a caricature of the topic itself (let alone of other related topics).
    Of course, I do agree that slip-ups in history of science are a pity, especially for a show with so many viewers, and that these should be pointed out and corrected. But I do not interpret the occurrence of such errors as a sign of ill intentions or neglect: it may just be ignorance of ignorance. Science handbooks are full of distorted history, and this is not well-known among scientists. So the advisers of the program (I assume it’s a whole team, not just Neil deGrasse Tyson) may have been unaware of this, in a way that they didn’t even consider consulting an expert.
    Krauss may be a different case: besides popularization, he also engages regularly in debates on science and philosophy. (Maybe NdGT does that too, but in any case it is not what Cosmos is about.) In such a context, I view the unnuanced dismissal of philosophy in a much less favourable light.
    On the other hand, it is my impression that the romantic idea of scientists engaging deeply with philosophy in their everyday work may also rely on a distortion of science and its history. Sure, there are high-profile cases in which this applies, but these are the exceptions, not the rule. (It may be more common in theoretical physics, but the largest physics community is that in experimental material science.)

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  4. Eric Winsberg Avatar

    The problem isn’t so much with the show itself as it is with a couple of comments NDT has made during the show and even worse elsewhere. And it won’t do to explain the attitude as being “we are too busy in the lab.” Its a cultivated sort moralizing contempt. I’ll give you an example: the astrophysicists at the Carnegie Observatories in Pasadena got a grant to bring together a mix of astronomers and philosophers this term. Barry Madore read us an email reply from one of the astronomers who was declining the invitation. He went on a bit about how there is not enough time to devote to these questions, blah blah blah, but he also said “my heart sank” when he read the description of the event. Its one thing to say you yourself dont have time for this. Its another to express dismay at other scientists who do.
    Where does it come from? Much as I admire the guy, it pretty clearly came from Richard Feynman. And he pretty clearly cultivated it as a response to a particular set of circumstances in the 1950’s. On the one hand, you had the foundational problems in QM. It was a genuine worry, I guess I’m willing to admit, that physics might get derailed by obsessing over what a measurement was in QM. On the other, you had people like Bohm who wanted to find solutions, but had their philosophy of science mixed up with Marxism, and were having their labs and notebooks confiscated by the FBI.
    But its not the 1950s any more, and its time to drop this BS.

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  5. Eric Winsberg Avatar

    In a sense, in other words, Feynman understood full well that his mockery of philosophy was itself a philosophy. And at that particular moment in history, and might have been a good philosophy to have. But it no longer is.

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  6. CircSqu Avatar

    Those who ignore philosophy are doomed to repeat it – only stupider.

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  7. Alan White Avatar

    I just don’t see how in general denigrating another area of reflective endeavor is beneficial to anyone, unless that area is polemical nonsense (creation “science”, e.g.). I guess NDT thinks philosophy is just that–nonsense. But as many have commented above, that caricature of philosophy won’t hold water. I’d chime in that without the purely philosophical musings of Turing and von Neumann, NDT might not have all those neat computers that crunch all that astronomical data he needs for his own work.
    I do agree he is serving an extremely valuable role in Cosmos’ popularization of science. I especially laud the show for emphasizing the long-neglected but crucial role of women in science.

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  8. Joe Avatar
    Joe

    Well, many philosophers are dismissive of other humanities or even other ways of doing philosophy, thinking them bullshit and knowing very little about them. But they get all upset when some scientists are dismissive of philosophy in the same way…

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  9. FunkyCreativity Avatar

    I just finished watching the first episode of this new Cosmos show. I found it very moving and tried to search more about the host of the show, ending up on this page.
    As a student just started researching formal epistemology and philosophy of science, I do not find his reaction that surprising, though. In the long history of philosophy, we already encountered many great philosophers who tried to bring down this whole discipline as a whole:
    We have Descartes, who considered his to be the absolute cornerstone for ‘the tree of philosophy’ to grow from.
    We have Hume, whose assertion on burning down the volumes is so well-known.
    We have Kant, who also assured the comprehensiveness of his transcendental philosophy as metaphysics.
    Last but not least, we won’t even have to say much about Wittgenstein.
    Hawking, Tyson, and Feynman are already philosophizing in some crude way as many commented already, which reminds us of Logical positivism and Transcendental dialectic. Philosophers in 21st century face the re-arrival of metaphysics. Those ignored questions will eventually resurface at any time, until those problems are resolved in some sense and get separated from philosophy, as many scientific disciplines did.
    I surmise that the new series of will eventually contribute to philosophy as well; philosophy feeds on curiosities and whatever form of intellectual medium will excite these. I believe many of those attracted to such profoundness will eventually turn to philosophy, as it has been so. The mission for practicing philosophers is, therefore, to take the route trodden by Socrates, which is to humbly question and inquire.

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  10. Taylor M Avatar
    Taylor M

    Why do physicists specifically seem show so much disdain for philosophy? Seriously would like to know if it’s true and what would explain this.
    Let’s assume Steven Hawking, Tyson, etc., are smart and thoughtful people who got their views about philosophy from their various experiences over time. What is the “philosophy” that physicists encounter and learn is terrible?
    Here’s my thought. First a boring anecdote: I was at a large public talk of a famous and popular physicist a long time ago. He talked about springs and some other cool stuff like that, not even cosmology. Then we could ask questions. Immediately he was struck by an irritatingly pseudo-philosophical rhetorical gotcha question about if god exists. The physicist tried to waffle around and not offend anyone and tried to move on from this totally unprovoked question that came out of nowhere.
    So I’ve got the hunch that it’s a side effect of the popular conception of physics. People are, I think, tempted to argue a point about some religious or “beyond physics” sorta thing to physics experts and will do so unprovoked, and as you’d expect, such encounters fuel a sort of anti-philosophy sentiment among physicists. I’d like to hear if others have any explanation too.

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  11. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    I think one disanalogy between how this scans in Europe and how it scans in the United States has to do with religion.
    I love Tyson’s “stupid design” schtick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weu7Rh6dYrM), have played it for several classes to buttress Hume, and posted it at least once here.
    But it’s very, very, very bad in this country for the public face of science to be associated with anti-religious sentiment. Anything that gets kids and parents to think of science as a priori hostile to religion is going to end up hurting science and science education in the United States and in most of the rest of the world that is more religious than Europe. I don’t think this is the case with the so called New Atheists in Britain, but it certainly is here.*
    For non-European children it would have been vastly better if the person replacing Carl Sagan had some sensitivity to traditional theological views that take science and religion to be consistent. But with the ham-fisted treatment of Bruno, it’s clear that Tyson isn’t this person. And the biggest effect of PBS selecting him is that efforts to halt global warming have been harmed, because uneducated religious people view him as an enemy.
    As far as the show itself I don’t know why they felt they had to redo Carl Sagan’s excellent series. Sadly, you can only get Tyson’s version on Hulu. We’re in danger of reaching a point where nobody gets it when someone says “billions and billions.”
    [*By far the most effective new atheist in the United States was Christopher Hitchens. Since his case against religion was based in a moral world view largely shared with his religious opponents, it: (1) didn’t involve strawman theology as Dawkins does, (2) was such that religious people had to take seriously on their own grounds, and (3) didn’t oppose science and religion.]

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  12. Thomas Avatar

    Tyson’s “stupid design” schtick is actually a rather good example of philosophical ineptitude, because it shows his inability to follow an argument.
    Tyson imagines the anthropic arguments to say that because most of the universe is hospitable to life, there is a God.
    But that’s not the argument. The argument is that the likelihood of any life at all in the universe is so unlikely that an inference can be made to a God. Anthropic arguments came into use at a time when everyone knew most of the universe was inhospitable to life.
    Whatever you think of anthropic arguments for God (and I don’t find them convincing), their basic form is simple, and it sailed right over Tyson’s head.

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  13. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    You’re absolutely right thathe’s being inchoate at best.
    His internet thing works if you use it as a segue into the arguments from evil. When natural evil enters the scene as a response to the free will defense then all of his points about badly designed humans work pretty well.
    I think there’s something right about the Design argument and that the German Idealists sort of realized that and then Lewis (C.S.)/Plantinga/McDowell have gotten closer to whatever it is. The problem is that it Dennettizes very easily. Yes we might be such that we can’t help but to see natural systems in design and intentional terms, but it’s not clear that this says anything about those systems themselves. A certain kind of anti-naturalist would be Scholze/Maimon/Fichte/Schelling/Hegel to Dennett’s neo-Kantian strains, but the Dennettian wouldn’t have that big a problem accepting skepticism or (more likely) indifferentism* and as a result not be subject to German Idealism type arguments.
    [*See Matthew Kelsey’s dynamite work on indifferentism as one of the main foils of Kant- http://luc.academia.edu/MatthewKelsey. There’s really interesting work waiting to be done on the homologies between Kant’s popular enemies and Quinean pragmatism and Wittgensteinian/McDowellian quietism in this context. I also suspect that the proto-pragmatist strains in Schopenhauer might read differently as a result, and am fairly confident that some of our null hypotheses about German Idealism more broadly might change.]

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  14. Richard Avatar
    Richard

    “For non-European children it would have been vastly better if the person replacing Carl Sagan had some sensitivity to traditional theological views that take science and religion to be consistent. But with the ham-fisted treatment of Bruno, it’s clear that Tyson isn’t this person.”
    I don’t see how the Cosmos series depicts science and religion as being in conflict. It depicts Bruno as reaching correct conclusions about the sun and stars precisely because of his theological beliefs – he wasn’t shown to be any less a religious figure than the people who executed him. As the series progresses, it becomes clear that this is just one of many cases where scientists are ignored or discredited by people who hold positions of power, whether it’s the lead industry or sexist male scientists.
    This is not to deny that the treatment of Bruno was ham-fisted or historically lacking – I just don’t think it shows science and religion to be in conflict.

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  15. Richard Avatar
    Richard

    To clarify my previous post, when I said, “As the series progresses, it becomes clear that this is just one of many cases where scientists are ignored or discredited…”, I didn’t mean to imply that Bruno should be included as a scientist.

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