Increasingly, when I see someone accused of "ableism" because of some inartful (or perfectly fine) turn of expression, I become angry. It just strikes me as Forrest Gumpism. Everything is really peachy, as long as we confine our discourse to positive platitudes (and attacking those who don't so confine themselves).*

But all else being equal, it is better to be able. Speaking in ways that presupposes this is not bad, at least not bad merely in virtue of the presupposition (see also the Johnny Knoxville/Eddie Barbanell video below).

The place where my son gets occupational therapy (to deal with a bunch of sensory processing disabilities he inherited from me)** is called "Abilities." Good for them! I don't want my child to suffer as much as I do. The thought that I should feel guilty for that, or feel guilty for expressing something that presupposes it, just strikes me as insane. And I don't feel guilty for saying it strikes me as insane. To not be able to use "insane" as a derogation when it is appropriate would be to lose sight of the fact that it is horrible to be insane, which would in fact be extraordinarily cruel to the insane.

My friend Justin Isom dealt with his blindness and cancer with incredible dignity. He played a very bad hand extraordinarily well. But any pretense that it was not a bad hand would have been insulting and condescending (just as he would have taken, on the other side, excessive pity to be condescending). Justin thought it was hilarious when I first squirmed about saying "see you later" to him. When you have a blind friend you realize just how much language is seeded with visual metaphors. For the anti-ableist, we are supposed to police our speech in ways that would pretend otherwise. (And please read Neil Tennant's obituary for Justin below,*** which speaks to Justin's astonishingly rich ability (not just astonshingly rich for a blind guy, but all the more interesting and impressive since it's a blind guy talking) to describe experiences, such as public street in Indonesia, in visual terms.)

But for the anti-ableist speech policer, we can't say that a good idea is "visionary" because that might have hurt Justin's feelings. No. I reject that. You don't speak for Justin and you have no right to present him as emotionally infantile enough to care about such things.


Anti-ableist speech policing: (1) tends to enforce speech norms that presuppose that it doesn't suck to be disabled and instead the real problem is people's insensitivity regarding the disability (this worry is consistent with praising sensitivity as a key moral virtue****), and (2) ends up speaking for all disabled people in condescendingly distorting ways.

However, (3) there's another, much broader point. Anti-ableist speech policing is an example of what is condemned in Freddie De Boer's recent Andrew Sullivan post about how online social media is ruining social liberalism:

It seems to me now that the public face of social liberalism has ceased to seem positive, joyful, human, and freeing. I now mostly associate that public face with danger, with an endless list of things that you can’t do or say or think, and with the constant threat of being called an existentially bad person if you say the wrong thing, or if someone decides to misrepresent what you said as saying the wrong thing. There are so many ways to step on a landmine now, so many terms that have become forbidden, so many attitudes that will get you cast out if you even appear to hold them. I’m far from alone in feeling that it’s typically not worth it to engage, given the risks. The hundreds of young people I teach, tutor, and engage with in my academic and professional lives teach me about the way these movements are perceived. I have strict rules about how I engage with students in class, and I never intentionally bring my own beliefs into my pedagogy, but I also don’t steer students away from political issues if they turn the conversation that way. I cannot tell you how common it is for me to talk to 19, 20, 21 year old students, who seem like good people, who discuss liberal and left-wing beliefs as positive ideas, but who shrink from identifying with liberalism and feminism instinctively. Privately, I lament that fact, but it doesn’t surprise me. Of course much of these feelings stem from conservative misrepresentations and slanders of what social liberalism is and means. But it also comes from the perception that, in the online forums where so much political discussion happens these days, the slightest misstep will result in character assassination and vicious condemnation.

If all you've got to offer is cultural revolution type denunciations, you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

I hate to say this, but in the glory days of this blog, many of us (well really just most of the men, most of whom quit) contributed to the problem DeBoer describes. We very easily mocked, shut out, and condemned people who weren't conversant in the acceptible ways that social liberals are supposed to speak. I'm ashamed of this now. I mean, lots of students were reading and I think DeBoer gets pretty well the lessons they might have been learning.

I hate to think that students today are learning that they better never say anything involving disability because they might be equally denounced. Run Forrest Run! No thanks.

[Notes:

*The real, actual horribleness of dementia has nothing to do with how Dr. Demento refers to himself. See see this recent Andrew Sullivan post: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/09/05/you-never-expect-to-get-dementia/ or Gillian Bennett's suicide note.  

**For sensory processing issues that Fredians used to call "neuroses" social cruelty often involves exploiting the humorous narratives (Woody Allen at his best) involving the problem. This is a common issue with humor and cruelty though, having nothing to do with disability per se. Behaviorists are actually worse, they think by exposing you to the causes of your misery that you will get better, and not just more miserable, as is usually the case when people with sensory processing disabilities are subjected to "systematic desensitization" or "flooding." However, the important point is that the problem is with being less than able with respect to some aspect of reality, something anti-ableist Forrest Gumpism systematicly effaces.

***Neil Tennant's 2007 obituary for Justin:

On April 23, 2007, Justin Isom, a past member of our graduate program, lost his months-long battle against leiomyosarcoma, a particularly intractable form of cancer. Justin passed away peacefully, at home, nursed with love and devotion by his wife Megan. The cruel and unrelenting disease to which Justin succumbed had in another form—cancer of the retinal nerves—deprived him of sight at the age of one.

Justin bore his illness with fortitude and good humor, always showing more concern for others than for himself. He was a wonderful person—kind, caring, puckish. He also bore his blindness lightly. Those who knew him well hardly noticed it. Justin had his own inner light. His high intelligence and sensitivity enabled him to see in ways that the sighted could well envy.

Justin held a B.A. from the University of Texas at Austin, majoring in philosophy. His intellectual interests included French history and drama, Chinese, Sanskrit, music, and the history of religious ideas. In due course he moved to Comparative Studies. He earned a qualification in therapeutic massage and was working on his master’s thesis when he fell ill.

Justin had lived in diverse exotic and anthropologically interesting places, of which Columbus was just the last one. He was a wonderful raconteur. His friends will miss the impish laugh and ready humor. He could do accents—Cockney and New South Wales Matey—and he always got them to a T. Justin told his stories with such rich imagery that at times one could not believe he had not seen what he was describing. Justin could talk about anything and everything under the sun: carved temples in Thailand, with richly costumed dancers; or the cider at a pub on an English village green. He was enchanted with the world, and the world let him go.

****I'm not defending moral obtuseness, nor the kind of bullying that the criticism of political correctness is usually cover for. I agree with Johnny Knoxville and Eddie Barbanell at right as well as the spirit in which it is offered.

I am defending the right to call moral obtuseness morally obtuse. See Richard Rorty's nice comments about what is right and wrong about political correctness in his underrated Achieving Our Country. Or just watch the first two seasons of Mad Men, which are quite brilliant in showing how public acceptance of bullying ruins everything.]

 

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49 responses to “In praise of anti-anti-ableism”

  1. P Avatar
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    Jon, thank you for this post. I’ve often found myself thinking along similar lines, and I’ll be interested to hear what (if anything) others have to say in response.

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  2. G.S. Avatar
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    1) I don’t believe that anyone thinks that if we just stopped using ableist (or sexist or racist or homophobic etc.) language, that the world would be just peachy. Certainly those folks who are involved with the disability community are all too aware that it will take much more than language change to get social justice for disabled people. Pointing out and eradicating language that reiterates and reinforces incorrect and prejudiced notions of disability is part of this project. But only part of it.
    Furthermore, eradicating ableist language is not about avoiding hurt feelings, as you suggest. I doubt anyone cares if you feel guilty about using ableist language. It’s not about you, or your feelings, or anyone else’s, for that matter. It is about the complicated ways in which language reinforces unjust power relations and social structures. Frankly, the difficulty of changing speech habits or learning some synonyms is really nothing compared to living with oppression and subjugation.
    2) You are the one “speaking for all disabled people in condescendingly distorting ways”, by claiming that “all else being equal, it is better to be able.” There is a HUGE range of disabilities, and while some of these are painful and, all else being equal, it would be better not to be disabled in that way, some disabilities are not painful and people do not suffer from them at all. Or if they do suffer, it is not from the disability itself, but only from the lack of accommodations. Deafness is only one example. Perhaps some reading on the concept of deaf gain would be helpful.

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  3. M. Silcox Avatar
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    For me, the most awful thing about treating all physically and mentally disabled people as though they belonged in one big interest group and then agonizing about how to avoid offending them is that is sees to me to be a symptom of same curse that has poisoned most “rainbow coalition”-style liberal politics of the past forty years, viz. a persistent and cowardly unwillingness to talk about MONEY. ‘Cause the “disabled” manifestly aren’t a uniform interest group when you look at how resources have (or haven’t) been allocated by governments and private charities in industrialized nations.
    Nowadays, just to take one example, if you’re born deaf or blind in pretty much any first world nation – even societies that are relatively backward in terms of the social provision they offer, like the USA – you’re probable going to be at least passably well cared-for. But God help you if you happen to suffer from schizophrenia anywhere in western Canada, or if you’re confined to a wheelchair in the American southwest, where most pubic buildings won’t be accessible to you and most curbs don’t even slope downward to fucking street level at busy intersections. The really great thing about verbal hyper-sensitivity is that its cultivation makes no difference whatsoever to one’s personal net income.

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  4. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Ian Drury too. The occasion for Spasticus Autisticus was how patronizing he found much of the hoopla surrounding the International Year of Disabled People. Pretty cool that the song was picked to be the official theme of the 2012 Summer Paralympics, with Stephen Hawking mcing the opening ceremony where the song was played.

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  5. AY Avatar
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    “But all else being equal, it is better to be able.”
    How much of that is because of the way things are set up structurally? It’s better not to be a wheelchair user in a city in which many things are not wheelchair accessible, sure. But instead of treating the chair user as the problem, why not see the city layout as a problem? Those of us who think we shouldn’t use ableist language don’t think that language-policing, or even just increased sensitivity is a solution, per se. Sensitivity isn’t the problem so much as the structural barriers that are in place which make many things more difficult for many disabled people. Ableist language just reinforces the the idea that being disabled means you’re automatically worse off. And it ignores the fact that much of the reason why you’re worse off is because of structural prejudice. So the very presumption behind this post seems to miss the point of what many disability activists are trying to accomplish.
    But I have to admit that I’m not especially sympathetic (in general) to the people who are turned off being progressive because it’s difficult, and because they’re afraid of saying the wrong thing. It turns out that if you’re privileged, it requires a fair bit of effort not to be a jerk, and not to harm other people, precisely because your privilege means you don’t have to notice when things you’re doing are hurtful. So yeah, it’s hard, and you might have to be afraid of being told off of saying the wrong thing. But that’s just part of the work it takes not to be a jerk in a world that’s got so much inequality.

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  6. Stephen Kuusisto Avatar

    Mr. Cogburn’s post reveals a patent flaw in liberalism: that freedom of thought requires the dispensation to demean and metaphorize historically marginalized people. Since he can’t easily dismiss people of color or women (though of course in the clubby circles of privilege I’m sure he has a joke or two up his sleeve) the cripples are to his mind a fair target. Ableism doesn’t stop at language, it extends to joblessness, poverty, violence, and social exclusion. When people of apparent judgement and who possess of education suborn ideas to the de facto necessity of offending the vulnerable one simply has to ask what moist rhetorical haystack they’ve crawled out of.

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  7. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    I agree with your second point, which is why I wrote “all else being equal.”
    But, on the opposite end, I see you doing exactly what I’m criticizing. For many disabilities, it’s reality that oppresses and subjugates you in unique and awful ways. No matter how good our society is at treating people with advanced dementia, it’s still a horrible thing. Pretending otherwise is itself vicious.
    Likewise for the inability to listen to Mozart or Nirvana, or to fluently be able to speak spoken language. I’ve read fairly extensively about the current debate over cochlear implants, and I have no sympathy for parents who refuse to get cochlear implants for their deaf children (well, I sympathize with them, but it’s dwarfed by my sympathy for their children).
    You are right that those of us with disabilities often get cool results out of the ways we deal with crappy situations. My inability to drive safely on most roads has probably on the whole actually been a plus in my life, given how I’ve been able to respond to it (which involved a lot of luck, cf. Silcox below). I also very much doubt I’d play music or love it so much, or do philosophy, if I didn’t have so many sensory processing problems.
    In spite of my Calvinist worldview, I still manage to basically like myself and what I’m doing, and I would not change myself if that meant giving up the things that I see to have developed out of my (admittedly minor) disabilities.
    So I certainly understand deaf people who feel the same way. But it should be clear that this doesn’t extend to your children. I would be a horrible, horrible adult if I didn’t avail my son of childhood medical treatments and occupational therapy that weren’t available to me when my brain was still plastic enough to benefit. Yeah, as a result he might not grow up to be a somewhat creative person with a passel of neuroses that sometimes lead to funny stories. But it’s my job as a parent to empower him even if that means he’s culturally different from me, because, all else being equal, it’s better to be able.
    I hope it’s clear that I agree with you and Nietzsche, one must do the alchemist’s trick, turning all of this muck into gold.
    But I just want to add to this that to then pretend that the muck isn’t muck is just as insulting as pretending that no one can turn it into gold. And we have an obligation to try to see that our kids aren’t dragged through the same muck.
    Forrest Gumpism is really just a particularly virulent strain of the cruel optimism that defines so much of the United States for good and bad. Everything is fine if we all just pretend that it is. So we must pretend that everything is fine, no matter what. But this is pathological, just bad religion.
    When I was a kid in a charismatic church a pillar of the church got brain cancer and turned really violent. Before he had to be institutionalized, he assaulted his wife a couple of times. I still remember people asking her if she’d “given it up to the Lord.” If she couldn’t just pretend that everything was really great, then there must be something seriously wrong with her (she hadn’t really given it up to the Lord).
    There was something seriously wrong with her. She had three kids and her husband was dying of a brain tumor after beating her up really badly. But that wasn’t what the fundies at my church thought was wrong. What was wrong with her was that she couldn’t pretend that everything was great. This kind of sadism is always the back hand Forrest Gumpism.
    Our final point of disagreement. I think that “changing the language” is mostly just academics lashing out because they are unable to effect meaningful change in a fallen world. I can’t police people’s behavior, but I sure can police the way other academic bloggers talk.
    Sometimes this kind of thing can be helpful. I think the “r word” campaign and the anti-bullying campaigns are necessary and important. But there is a big grey area and from Orwell on we have no excuse not to be very suspicious of proponents of newspeak. And if the cumulative effect of focusing so hypercritically on how people express themselves is what DeBoer describes above, then this is a problem. I also think it’s a problem that people convince themselves that things are basically O.K. if they just speak the right way, consume the right things, and recycle, and that the speech policing feeds into this dysfunction as well. That’s the topic for another blog post though, and Silcox says enough below to address this anyhow.

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  8. Stephen Kuusisto Avatar

    You fail to understand what metaphor is–“Forest Gumpism” is simply a fictive trope, one that’s on balance no different than any other red herring. You appear to have considerable contempt for human rights, imagining that you alone can name the gray areas where you think hate speech is just hunky dory.

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  9. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Thanks. These are great and important points. I don’t take anything I’ve said to be inconsistent with them, though I realize I might be wrong about that.
    Maybe this is it? While I agree with the dangers you point to (and your point about structural setups, more below on this) I also think that it’s unkind to pretend that being disabled does not mean you are automatically worse off. And for the reasons given above, I think it can be dangerous to force people into the pretense.
    Race is not like this. Being worse or better off because you are categorized as some ethnicity is entirely a matter of social, political, historical etc. factors. But for disabilities there are biological facts with a teleology of their own. That is, in any human society likely to promote general flourishing, it’s going to still be better not to suffer dementia and to have all of one’s limbs.
    Likewise, it’s not even possible in science fiction to accommodate everyone perfectly, because accommodating some people means not accommodating others. For example, I have really bad tinnitus that gets painfully distracting with certain kinds of background noises. It’s only disabling because we live in a society with these noises, but a society without them would although some ways better for me worse for everyone else. Because of the tinnitus I can’t process speech well if there’s lots of ambient background noise (I have some funny stories about incompetently lip reading at APA smokers; once I said “That’s great!” after someone had just told me they were coming down with the flu). I would love it if public spaces were acoustically designed to take this into account, but it would be prohibitively expensive and almost certainly cause far more suffering than it lessened.
    I can envision minimally decent societies without racism and its effects. But there is no possible society of human beings like us that can optimally accommodate everyone’s disability. Part of this is because of the tradeoffs, part of it is because the human condition is objectively horrifying in so many ways (again, dementia). As a result it’s not true for me to think that the preponderance of my suffering is somehow society’s fault. Nor is it helpful, because wallowing in that will prevent me from figuring out how to accommodate myself to an unaccommodating reality (which is a lot of work for reasons I won’t go into).
    I do see your point about the real danger of what I’m saying, in that it very easily gets society off the hook for the avoidable structural sadisms. But I just think the truth is messy here, and wholesale linguistic revision is more likely to cover up truth rather than reveal it.

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  10. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Look, I’m sorry my post made you angry. And I think your point about the flaw in liberalism is interesting. I agree with you that free speech does not mean that people should be able to say whatever they want without censure. If I’ve inadvertently said anything to demean marginalized people, please tell me where I’ll apologize.
    But please consider what you are saying.
    How could you possibly know what “circles” I belong to and what kind of jokes we tell one another? By what right do you lecture me about “joblessness, poverty, violence, and social exclusion”? What are you talking about by “de facto necessity of offending the vulnerable”? I don’t know you and wouldn’t presume to make assumptions about you.
    You are not the spokesperson for the subaltern and neither am I. This is not because neither of us would win some contest for required level pitifulness to be a spokesperson. It’s because most of the people considered disabled are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.
    Different people are going to be offended by different things, and if we only ever said things that didn’t offend anyone, we’d never say anything. I think that you agree with me that if there is good reason to think that speech is going to be harmful, that’s a good reason (all else being equal) to refrain from it.
    But I don’t think that any locution that presupposes that it is better to be able is automatically harmful. I’ve tried to argue above that thinking that it always automatically is can itself be harmful. Maybe I’m wrong, but calling me names isn’t a constructive way to determine if I am. Please read the DeBoer article I linked to on how this kind of thing is hurting the cause of social justice. Why not start with the assumption that I mean well and am well informed and try to show how I am nonetheless mistaken? The Johnny Knoxville/Eddie Barbanell video above is a pretty good instance of how this kind of discourse might work.

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  11. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    RESPONSE TO ED KAZARIAN AND ERIC WINSBERG
    [This is a response to this post by Ed Kazarian and comment by Eric Winsberg. All of my comments go to the typepad spam folder and I’m only able to remove them for my own posts. So I’m posting the response here.]
    Ed (and Eric),
    Thanks for reiterating that we’re not the borg and for the thoughtful criticism.
    Very quickly, my criticism of newapps referred (perhaps unclearly) to the old days before you or Eric were posting. I meant to be criticizing the way that me, Protevi, Lance, Schliesser, et. al. so often used to respond with withering snark whenever a commentator (usually anonymous) went outside of the left leaning bubble that we (Mohan’s protests notwithstanding) constructed at newapps. For what it’s worth, all of us decided to cut it out. The baleful effect of the kind of left newspeak environment that results is what I take DeBoer to rightfully criticize. Perhaps this is mistaken, but for what it’s worth it wasn’t meant to be a criticism of anything you’ve ever posted or your interactions with commentators.
    I’m sorry that the argument of my post was unclear. It’s odd, because I intended to criticize illegitimate use of the very dichotomies you claim that I “trade in.”

    Perhaps this is what I should have simply said:

    Many of us with disabilities are beyond fed up with people taking themselves to speak for us in the blogosphere. Neither being a philosopher who cares about justice, nor being excluded oneself, grants one the right to tell excluded people that you understand what we’re going through better than we do. No matter how good your intentions, it does not give you the right to silence us as you attempt to legislate what must be done on our behalf.

    If I had just written that, perhaps there would be no controversy. It’s thus more than passing strange that providing a justification of the claim with examples from my and my friend’s experiences dealing with our own disabilities elicited so much of the very thing I was trying to criticize.
    Please re-read your own post. Who is the “we” you are talking about in the penultimate paragraph? Who are the non-we whom “we” have to be careful about when “we” speak about them? I have disabilities. Wasn’t that clear from the post? From what you say, it follows that I can’t talk about myself, but you can. Can’t you see why many of us find this intolerable?
    Sadly, your conclusion is a good example of what I was complaining about, “The fact that Jon seems to have lost perspective on the larger fact of those systems of exclusion and the need to work to ameliorate them is disappointing, to say the least.” This kind of thing is probably more effective than baseless charges of ableism at silencing people of good will. What a drag. Would any rational student post an agreement with me under their own name now? No, of course not (if you are reading this, don’t), because you and Ed Winsberg have decreed that they will be bad people as a result of doing so. Again, can’t you see why many of us find this intolerable?
    Again, I’m sorry for being unclear and if I said something hamfisted that could be hurtful. But I’m not sorry for publicly decrying with these silencing tactics. Please read the DeBoer article to which I linked. Enforcing newspeek in blog discussions is not equal to ameliorating the effects of systems of exclusion. It’s rather a system of exclusion itself. Though I may be the only one to say so publicly under my own name, I’m not the only philosopher with disabilities who is fed up with this state of affairs.

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  12. Scu Avatar

    I wrote this long thing. I’ve decided to delete most of it for now.
    Here are some brief passages from the first few pages of Alison Kafer’s beautifully written Feminist Queer Crip:
    “Fellow rehab patients, most of whom were elderly people recovering from strokes or broken hips, saw equally bleak horizons before me. One stopped me in the hallway to recommend suicide, explaining that life in a wheelchair was not a life worth living […] Although I may believe i am leading an engaging and satisfying life, they can see clearly the grim future that awaits me: with no hope of a cure in sight, my future cannot be anything but bleak. not even the ivory tower of academia protected me from these dismal projections of my future: once i made it to graduate school, i had a professor reject a paper proposal about cultural approaches to disability; she cast the topic as inappropriate because insufficiently academic. As i prepared to leave her office, she patted me on the arm and urged me to “heal,” suggesting that my desire to study disability resulted not from intellectual curiosity but from a displaced need for therapy and recovery. my future, she felt, should be spent not researching disability but overcoming it. […] if disability is conceptualized as a terrible unending tragedy, then any future that includes disability can only be a future to avoid. A better future, in other words, is one that excludes disability and disabled bodies; indeed, it is the very absence of disability that signals this better future. The presence of disability, then, signals something else: a future that bears too many traces of the ills of the present to be desirable. in this framework, a future with disability is a future no one wants, and the figure of the disabled person, especially the disabled fetus or child, becomes the symbol of this undesired future.to want a disabled child, to desire or even to accept disability in this way, is to be disordered, unbalanced, sick. “We” all know this, and there is no room for “you” to think differently. It is this presumption of agreement, this belief that we all desire the same futures, that i take up in this book.” (pp. 1-3). (I’m sorry any typos that occurred in my cutting and pasting).

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  13. Rachel McKinnon Avatar
    Rachel McKinnon

    I will ad nothing more than: Shame on you Jon. This post is truly disgusting.

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  14. philosop-her Avatar
    philosop-her

    Hi Jon,
    I wanted to reply to your comment, where you wrote that you probably should have said the following, and that if you had, there might not be any controversy:
    “Many of us with disabilities are beyond fed up with people taking themselves to speak for us in the blogosphere. Neither being a philosopher who cares about justice, nor being excluded oneself, grants one the right to tell excluded people that you understand what we’re going through better than we do. No matter how good your intentions, it does not give you the right to silence us as you attempt to legislate what must be done on our behalf.”
    I do think that silencing is an important issue, and I do think it can be highly problematic when one speaks for others—particularly on matters of exclusion, as doing so can simply reinforce marginalization. But I do want to point out that I don’t think this is the whole story.
    I come from a deeply conservative religious background. Many of the women who are from my former religious community believe it is their God-given duty to marry, have children, and be “help-mates” to their husbands (i.e., be responsible for domestic chores, not have a career outside the home even if one would otherwise prefer to have one, etc.). These women often say “feminists don’t speak for us.” While I think it’s important to be respectful of religious difference, I also think it’s false that merely because these women are /women/, their views should be given equal weight when considering matters of gender equity and inclusion.
    But this is a more general phenomena. (Think of Miranda Fricker’s notion of hermeneutical injustice, where she argues that dominant groups, in virtue of their social power, may exert undue influence on our shared conceptual landscape, such that it is difficult for oppressed persons to understand the nature of their own domination.) So, while I agree (very strongly!) that neither being a philosopher who cares about justice, nor being excluded oneself, grants one the right to tell other exluded people that you understand their situation better than they do, I actually don’t think it’s true that being an excluded person oneself is sufficient for adequate understanding of one’s own situation either.
    That is to say, yes, there would have been less controversy had you said only that. But maybe not if you said that, while still criticizing denunciations of ableist language.

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  15. HDC Avatar
    HDC

    Hi Jon: This is a very controversial post – and in spite of my disagreement with you, I think there are elements worthwhile discussing here, such as the relative costs and benefits of avoiding terms that might hurt or denigrate groups that are already marginalized, or the question whether it is, all things considered, better to be not to be disabled.
    About the first point: As Paul has said in Romans 13:8, it seems tough to follow all sorts of little rules, but those rules embody the cardinal principles of respect and love for others – similarly, we have an obligation to speak in such a way that others, who are already disadvantaged, do not feel hurt. I realize many people do this unreflectively, but even if it makes them uncomfortable, it’s important they’re made aware of it. The proper response to people who aren’t conversant in these things, and who unreflectively say ableist things is not to “mock, shut out, and condemn” those who aren’t ‘conversant in the acceptable ways that social liberals are supposed to speak” – but rather, to make them aware of it in a respectful way. Common decency, I hope, goes beyond the ideological faultiness that govern American intellectual life.
    About your second point, I have a complex visual disability (involving multiple surgeries when I was a child), and I have often wondered whether I would be a better me if all of a sudden these issues I’ve had since birth would disappear. For better or for worse, they have become part of my identity. I’ve developed skills to compensate, such as recognizing people by their voice rather than their face, which in turn has helped me recognize pitch and timbre well (e.g., I can hear someone I know in a crowd by the pitch and cadence of their voice.) My difficulties with visual motion and lack of 3D vision have probably contributed to my drawing and painting skills.
    If there were a magic pill that would make these visual issues go away (not likely, as it involves early wiring of the brain to the proper functioning of eyes), I would think long and hard about whether to take the pill. I don’t mean to downplay the problems – the not being able to play ballgames at school, difficulties in navigation, that I’ll probably never be able to drive a car. And I was relieved to learn my children don’t have it.
    Still, I’d like to challenge your ceteris paribus claim that it’s better to be able. This idea is rooted in an ideal gold standard of self-sufficiency, health and beauty and conditions of human flourishing, something Dawkins voiced when he said it’s better to abort if you know your child has Down syndrome- that this would be not only in the best interests of the family but also of the child (thus running into issues with personal identity). Thinly veiled as a form of utilitarianism, Dawkins seems to think that able-bodied, normal-intelligence people are the norm and we should at all cost avoid bringing kids with disabilities into the world. However, as ethicists have observed, it’s far from clear whether this is the case, given self-reports of people with Down syndrome and their family.
    A friend of mine whose child has autism frequently receives hurtful comments, about miracle cures for autism (diets etc), about that it’s somehow her fault (vaccines, upbringing), etc etc. She speculates that disabilities make people uncomfortable: the view of health, beauty, self-sufficiency and fitness and golden standards of human flourishing is threatened. Not only do I think we should avoid ableist language, the whole attitude that one’s life isn’t worth living unless one is able should change.
    The fact that I’m not signing this with my own name (and I realize my disability is very mild – I never tick the “disabled” box as I can “pass” for able), indicates that the attitude “it’s all things considered better to be able” is not innocuous. I’d love to live in a time and place when I would feel comfortable saying “I’m sorry, I think I recognize you but I have a mild form of prosopagnosia so I can’t put a name to the face.” instead of “Recall me again what your name is [something I need to do quickly, before it gets awkward] “I’m so terrible with names”.

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  16. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Have you seen the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where someone in a line at the movie castigates Larry David as a self-hating Jew because he is humming a song by Wagner? David responds that while it’s true he hates himself, it has nothing to do with being Jewish.
    So yes, shame on me, but nobody’s explained to me why that follows from anything I wrote above or in this discussion.
    The post was a (perhaps inartful, perhaps unintentionally harmful, I don’t know) attempt to deride some of the silencing tactics that have become accepted in the liberal blogosphere. It should be clear to any disinterested reader that the kind of speech policing I was critiquing is often part character assassination. It may not be clear that a big part of this is simply not approving comments by people whose views are outside of the pale of acceptable liberal discourse.
    With DeBoer (who I quoted extensively and linked to, though nobody has discussed his argument) I think that the cumulative effect of this has been very bad, and in fact very bad for the cause of justice rightfully associated with the traditional left.
    Our major victories now are just getting people outside of the bubble to not want to talk with us or indeed read what we write. How is that supposed to do anything other than make us feel better than everyone else? How is that really going to help lessen oppression?
    If Marx were alive, he’d surely write a book called “The Liberal Ideology,” which defined by the confusing feelgood measures relating to fellow believer’s epistemes with action that might conceivably improve the lot of people’s life. He would surely critique the widespread confusion of whingeing on a blog with actually doing anything to achieve social justice. Please see M. Silcox’s comment above.
    Because I wrote a disgusting post I’ve given up on doing anything to ameliorate injustice (cf. Ed’s post above and my comment 11 here)? How could he possibly know what I do in the real world concerning social justice. His conclusion would only follow if the sum total of one’s political actions is the amount and kind of one’s blog whingeing.
    So thank you at least for focusing on the post and (I think) above comments. But I’m not sure that calling the post a derogatory name is much more helpful than just calling me names.

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  17. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Scu, thank you for the beautiful quote.
    I guess I kind of agree with it, but that’s only to the extent that I hope that God’s grace can somehow reconcile nature. Barring that, how could the comment apply to something like advanced dementia. I just don’t see it. People with advanced dementia can’t speak for themselves, but we would all do well to read the links I provide above to the discussion at Andrew Sullivan and Jonathon Bennett’s wife’s harrowing testimony. I don’t know how one should have responded to her. I hope she is wrong (and I hope and pray that things are ultimately O.K. for her and the Bennett’s even given her decision), but I could only justify that on religious grounds that seem objectively very thin to me and so sadistic in this context that I wouldn’t share them.
    I’m not trying to be snarky. I find what you share to be genuinely moving and wish I could bring myself to believe it.

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  18. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Thanks so much for this. I find everything you write here to be both plausible and important. It’s a lot to think about.

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  19. Adam Kotsko Avatar

    You should not have posted this. It is terrible.

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  20. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    HDC,
    Thanks so much for this powerful comment.
    It’s very weird for me to read this because we have some of the same disabilities. My visual system is bonkers in ways that sound very similar to yours and in which nobody else would notice (I don’t tick the boxes either). Among other things result is that I can’t drive a car in any of the places where the speed limit is over 55 (damn Sammy Hagar and Ronald Reagen) and it’s kind of dicey below that, and as a child I suffered several concussions from running into things. And I’m a disaster at recognizing people as well. I didn’t recognize Paul Livingston (!!one of my favorite contemporary philosophers) at the Pittsburgh Summer Symposium this year and it was pretty embarrassing.
    My son has similar problems, but the occupational therapy is much, much better now than when I was a kid so we’ll see.
    I think that people have an instinctive fear of and discomfort with certain kinds of visibly detectable differences. Philosopher William Taschek thinks with respect to facial types this might have been selected for as a result of mechanisms that allow us to easily track non-verbal cues about others intentions. When the face of the other doesn’t accommodate that we panic.
    I don’t know if that’s true (it certainly doesn’t explain the role of the mask in lucha libre), but one thing that makes me happy is how quickly humans overcome this kind of thing. Within five minutes or so of getting to know someone with Down’s syndrome the overwhelming majority of people get over it. It might be harder with respect to Autism because people with severe autism can be so cut off from things.
    I love your quote from Saint Paul you give and agree with you about the awful danger of Dawkinism. We must reject any position which doesn’t first and foremost affirm the intrinsic value of all people. I’d hoped that the footnotes in the original post distanced me from that, but from reading what you write I’m not so sure and am going to rethink what I wrote.
    Thanks tons.

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  21. Mark Lance Avatar
    Mark Lance

    Jon:
    This is all I’m going to say on the matter publicly: I think Ed’s post was fair and correct. I’m shocked at this post of yours, and even more so at the escalation and self-pitying caricatures you have used in defending it in comments. I mean ‘shocked’ completely literally and without any sort of irony. I’m shocked at all this given what I thought I knew about you. There are so many dimensions along which one could criticize – the incredibly sloppy running together of unrelated issues, the sudden blindness to the real structures of exclusion, and, well, lots of personal issues that really aren’t worth discussing in this forum.
    One question I try to ask myself before intervening in political issues is this: who will be most happy to see this performance executed. Well, in this case, the philoso-bros of the world are cheering and dedicating a game of beer pong to you. Again, I am shocked to be associating any of this with you – which I mean as a sincere compliment.

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  22. BH Avatar
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    I don’t often post on or read newAPPS, but so many of my friends have called attention to this that I feel like I should say something.
    First, the claim that being disabled is always worse than being non-disabled is an empirical claim, and it’s one that is systematically underdetermined. So I would like to know what sense you mean “better off” you mean, and along what dimensions you think this claim is clear and obvious. Is it in terms of happiness? Meaningful personal relationships? Wealth and social status? Or something else. Once that’s specified, I’d love to see the clear and unambiguous data supporting your hypothesis. Unfortunately, this point that’s obvious to you is completely obscure to me (and along many of those dimensions, you claim seems patently false).
    Second, I’d love to see your justification for the claim that the things that seem ‘positive, joyful, and freeing’ to you have any normative significance beyond the fact that they feel that way to you. The type of argument you make often shows up when people get called out for their racist or sexist behavior (“come on, it’s not that big of a deal, why are you so up tight”). In these cases I’m inclined to see this as white-frailty and male-frailty, generated by being privileged and being isolated from real conflict. So I’d really like to hear why you think that this reaction has a different sort of normative status in the domain of ableism. Right now, I’m really not getting it.
    Finally, this post sounds to me a lot like the claim “I have native heritage (or I have a friend who does) and the name of the Washington Football team doesn’t bother me, so it’s probably not racist”. I take it that I won’t be saying anything surprising if I note that the words we chose don’t arise in a vacuum. They are part of expansive and interconnected fields of social practices, thoughts, and behaviors, and their uptake is often bound up with broader patterns of inclusion and exclusion than we ourselves have access to. The reason “redskin” is a racist slur turns on it’s history, as well as the patterns of exclusion, marginalization, and harassment that Native Americans continue to experience on an ongoing basis. I would have thought that people who object to ableist speech were calling attention to similar network of social practices, thoughts, and behaviors. So I’d love to hear why you think they’re missing something important—as I don’t see that addressed in any of your posts above.

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  23. P Avatar
    P

    I may be mistaken, but isn’t this response a near textbook example of the kind of conduct Jon is talking about? As he notes in his response to you, the kind of speech policing he’s concerned about involves a kind of character assassination. It involves publicly shaming and condemning the speaker as a bad person. This seems to rule out, in advance, any possibility of disagreement between people of mutually recognized good will.

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  24. anonladygrad Avatar
    anonladygrad

    I’m not really going to engage with the substance of this post, only to suggest that (after reading the deBoer piece) part of what you’re looking to get at was expressed really well in the essay “Calling IN: A Less Disposable Was of Holding Each Other Accountable” http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2013/12/calling-less-disposable-way-holding-accountable/
    For example: “I picture “calling in” as a practice of pulling folks back in who have strayed from us. It means extending to ourselves the reality that we will and do fuck up, we stray and there will always be a chance for us to return. Calling in as a practice of loving each other enough to allow each other to make mistakes; a practice of loving ourselves enough to know that what we’re trying to do here is a radical unlearning of everything we have been configured to believe is normal.
    And yes, we have been configured to believe it’s normal to punish each other and ourselves without a way to reconcile hurt. We support this belief by shutting each other out, partly through justified anger and often because some parts of us believe that we can do this without people who fuck up.
    But, holy shit! We fuck up. All of us. I’ve called out and been called out plenty of times.”

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  25. a prof Avatar
    a prof

    “Would any rational student post an agreement with me under their own name now? No, of course not (if you are reading this, don’t), because you and Ed Winsberg have decreed that they will be bad people as a result of doing so. Again, can’t you see why many of us find this intolerable?”
    I’m a tenured professor and I don’t feel I can publicly agree with you under my own name. But I do agree, and I thank you for posting this.
    We used to exist in a space where Singer could present arguments for infanticide(!) without moralistic shaming getting in the way of reasoned responses to his views. It’s hard to believe what’s happened in just a few years.

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    r

    Misc thoughts:
    First: no one should confuse the claim that being disabled is usually ceteris paribus worse for the person who has the relevant disability with the further claims that disabled lives are not worth living, disabled people ought not be treated with full and equal respect, or that disabled people ought not be systematically accommodated. Scu’s story related at 12, for instance, seems to me to be primarily useful for exposing how objectionable the latter claims are. But that doesn’t tell against the first.
    Second: to the extent that there is a phenomenon of ideological excess in internet-leftism, I think it is well manifested here, particularly in Kuustico and McKinnon’s posts. I do not agree with everything in the original post (for instance, I share some reservations with philosop-her at 14; it seems complicated). Nonetheless, the idea that this is so objectionable as to be impossible to engage with strikes me as absurd. In what world could you possibly live where this is the most upsetting, worthless, and offensive thing you’ve run across? It seems especially strange to me coming to the surface in a group of philosophers, who I thought prided themselves, as part of their self-conception, on the notion that they could sit down and have a reasonable clear and constructive argument on essentially any topic no matter how fraught.

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  27. James Avatar

    I tend to disagree with Cogburn, and his defense of ableist speech seems most flimsy when transferred to analogous and more familiar debates of linguistic-structural injustices, e.g., racism or sexism. My default position in situations where my language is called into question is something like this: (1) if someone brings to my attention that some language I’m using is offensive, or hurtful, or participating in the perpetuation of some structural injustice, (2) and if I could just as easily use non-offensive language to say the same thing, (3) and if the modification of my language doesn’t cause a disproportionate injustice to me, (4) then I do my best to change my language for the better of all involved, (5) not losing the fact that the mere modification of my language isn’t the only–nor perhaps even the greatest–thing that needs doing to remedy the injustice at stake.
    That said, I don’t doubt the sincerity of Cogburn’s views and his desire to raise questions that, for him at least, are essential to the very same problems of injustice that the critique of ableism is concerned with. I also think that some of the disagreement may be due to different interpretations of Cogburn’s “it is better to be able.” So I find it philosophically odd and counter-productive–though not surprising–that someone would call for Cogburn’s post to be removed. If he were to learn through the discussion here and elsewhere that the views he expressed above are harmful and worth modifying according to some criteria like mine above, then Cogburn might do well to modify his language, remove his post, etc. But the idea that his views be censored by either rejecting them out of hand with ad hominem language or removing the post, that kind of forced modification of language and of the history of the ensuing discussion seems to ignore, in this case, the sincerity with which Cogburn is wanting to discuss the very issue of forced modification of language in response to the problem of ableism.
    I guess if someone were to view his post as merely an ableist rant meant to denigrate people, then there might be reason to censor–but you would have to ignore Cogburn’s openness to discuss the issue and his own possible failings evident in the comments. To be clear: what I’m saying applies only to this situation. I am not advocating the view that offensive or unjust language should not be censored in other situations or institutions. I just find it odd that someone would promote the deletion of a post in which someone appears to be sincerely raising concerns about the complexities of forced modification of language as a method of remedying ableist injustice.
    My view is also not that sincerity is always a good defense. The sincere intentions of Israel to defend themselves from perceived terrorist threats is not a good defense for the killing of 500 Palestinian children in a month. But, there is a difference between Cogburn’s post and air strikes on civilians, isn’t there? Or maybe there isn’t. I don’t know…

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  28. Arran James Avatar

    I’m at work so this has to be a quick response but as the example of advanced dementia comes up quite a lot I thought it’d be worth wading in a bit. I’d begin by saying that I’d agree that advanced dementia, at the point where you’re really talking about end of life care, does indeed have a horrifying aspect. Anyone who hasn’t experienced that horror has probably never experienced that stage of dementia- the stage at which where, to be frank, you’re overwhelming feeling is one that before you is an evacuated mechanism driven by pure stimulus-response: there is no person left.
    That said the critique ableism remains pertinent. The phenomena of rementia is evidence that this phenomenal horror is always ambiguous and can never guide conduct towards people with advanced dementias. In rementia it is possible for people to “come to” somewhat. Although this is rare and even rarer in people with advanced dementias it has been recorded anecdotally and in a handful of studies that some individuals have undergone a temporary reversal of their cognitive “decline”. Here I use the words in scare quotes because rementing processes- which have also been witnessed after the use of anticholinesterase medications and cognitive stimulation therapies- not because I’m policing language but because the term decline is linked to the idea of a necessary downward teleology. This was also once thought of schizophrenia when it was still known as dementia praecox, a condition that was thought to be an irreversible neurodegenerative condition. We now know that this isn’t the case with schizophrenia and there is the possibility that this isn’t the case in dementia either. I’m not about to be so foolish as to say that their is no impairment when measured against people with brains that fall within an admittedly fuzzy neurotypical range but to speak in absolute terms of decline supposes a necessity to the course of the condition that has historically inspired a profound therapeutic nihilism. By framing the end-stage of dementia in this way we risk disabling people who are not undergoing an end-of-life illness.
    Rementia indicates that we don’t know the point at which the neurological infrastructures of personhood have disappeared, while the experience of therapeutic nihilism is known to be disabling and therefore to accelerate the process of the dementia. The idea that the dementing person is declining and that they are therefore disabled has been demonstrated time and again (but you could go into any care home) to produce the behavioural and psychometric effects that are then taken as part of the organic ilness.
    In the 1990s and 2000s Tom Kitwood produced theoretical work grounded in clinical practice that demonstrated this neuropathological effect is caused by noxious social environments, lack of stimulation and a host of conducts generate a “malignant social psychology”. For a precis of Kitwood’s ideas on personhood and MSP in dementia care have a look at http://www.ukqcs.co.uk/dementia/dementia-care-toxic-nature-malignant-care/.
    Quite aside from all of this is the fact that a lot of things are getting lumped together here. End of life dementia is a very extreme example of what gets coded as a disability. Supposing disability is an apt way of speaking, are all disabilities really of the same kind? Is end-stage Alzheimer’s the same as a visual information processing disorder, and are either of the same as depression or having lost a leg? This is part of the problem with ableist language- it tends to bleed things of different kinds together.
    I don’t want to labour the point about dementia as your limit-case example as there is a hell of a lot of evidence that exists that contradict the idea of it as an organic mental disorder. The point to bear in mind is that dementias almost always come with life events that led to triggering or worsening, and along with Kitwood’s work there is a strong suggestion of dementia as a problem of neuroplasticity.
    I’d instead like to turn to your defense of the term insane. This is also more complex than you’re post admits. The accusation of ableism to those who use the term insane or insanity is highly context specific and therefore bound up with its particular use. For instance, when David Cooper valorised “madness” but reserved “insane” for the institutions of a repressive society he made a clear distinction that did not associate the mad with the insane. We see far-right groups consistently being described as “loons”, “fruitcakes”, “insane” with no distinctions as to what these terms mean. But let’s be realistic, loon and fruitcake are about as offensive to people experiencing mental suffering as gollywog or is to POC. To say that it is horrible to be insane isn’t exactly the same as saying its horrible to be black but it shares more than a family resemblance. A great deal of psychiatric survivors frame talking about their mental suffering as “coming out” and draw overt reference to the repression of LGBTQ people throughout history (and indeed the two oppressions overlap). And there remains the problems of institutionalisation, iatrogenic disorders, and the mental health field continuing to operate as a permanent state of exception.
    In a great deal of instances it is the case that it is horrible to be insane, not because of insanity- measured always against some mythical sanity- but because of the social conditions imposed upon those deemed insane. When we use ableist language it draws attention to the incorporeal machines that couple right or left wing abhorrence to ideas about different phenomenologies, and this sense is deployed as a justification for the continuance of structural stigmas as well as political determinations about the social valuelessness of mad people. But is madness really abhorrent? Is it really horrible to be insane? I don’t think it is. It is horrible to suffer.
    Madness and suffering are not identical. Disability and suffering are not identical. Both may cause suffering and both may be responses to suffering, but the identity is part of the problem.
    To dismiss ableism is to dismiss the very people who you accuse of speaking for others but who are in fact usually on speaking for themselves. From my position concentrating on so-called mental health it also seems as though those who call ableism or saneism where they see it also have the evidence on their side.
    As to the ever popular accusations that people are “policing”, most often thrown at feminists, particularly sexworkers transmen, transwomen and their allies, all I can say is imagine yourself saying that to a POC in the 1960s. In fact, you could try calling some of the people I work with insane and see how far it’d get you…or me for that matter.
    There is much more to say and this is all hurried and probably somewhat incoherent as its been written in fragments throughout the day.

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  29. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Jon, one thing that I think is going on here is the complexity of arguably ableist language and what to do about that. Consider sexist language as an analogy. There was a time when it was unclear and contentious what to do about it: Should we still use “man” to refer generally to people? Should we use “he” as a general pronoun, and if not what instead? “Womyn” instead of “woman”? Debates like these have settled down a bit. Similar issues have arisen with race or ethnicity — what labels are appropriate, what labels not? Is it problematic to use terms like “denigrate” because of their etymology? Again, these debates have settled down a bit, at least among the relatively moderate left, though they have not gone away entirely.
    Ableist language is, I think, a more complex issue because it is so diversely embedded in our language, and it can be difficult to detect. In light of this complexity, I think there is wide range for legitimate disagreement about what is appropriate.
    Being critiqued for ableist language, or feeling wronged by someone else’s usage of what you regard as ableist language, is a somewhat emotional and personal thing. So it’s understandable that tempers might run a bit high on both sides; and someone who has a narrow view of what is inappropriate (like you) might feel sideswiped and confused and like they’re walking through a minefield, using language that they think is fine, or often haven’t even thought much about one way or another, when they are criticized by others (like Shelley) who see a much wider range of uses as ableist.
    I think progress will be made by open discussion of the issues, with specific examples in mind that are given detailed analysis. I would favor doing so in a way that minimizes the heat and recognizes a wide range of difference of opinion among well-meaning people — though I recognize that sometimes, from some people, more passionate reactions can be appropriate.
    Praising ableism seems to me the wrong reaction, analogous to praising sexism.

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  30. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    I don’t agree with everything in the OP, and I suspect that it may be asking too much of readers deeply affected by disability not to be provoked to anger, because it’s a very difficult view to express in a way that won’t be misconstrued.
    However, I think the spirit of the post was right, the intentions honorable, and that issues you’ve raised deserve serious consideration. So, while I understand the harsh tone of many of the replies, I’m a bit disappointed by them.
    I want to focus on your claim “all else being equal, it is better to be able” and suggest that this can be read in two ways, one true and one false.
    I’ll start with the false one, since in this respect I agree with the critics. An ability is not intrinsically good or bad, and so it cannot simply be better to be able. I suspect you agree, but didn’t mean your claim in that way. It would be charitable of the critics to consider that possibility as well.
    Now, the sense in which I think it might be true. In speech we don’t use terms like ability and disability absolutely but contextually: under certain circumstances I’d like to be able to do something, and so I imply that ability is de facto good. This is just a claim about ordinary usage: it usually expresses my desires about what abilities I am glad to have or wish to have in my circumstances. But that’s clearly not an intrinsic value: it’s a value I find in a particular ability under particular circumstance.
    The difficulty of the latter sense is that it doesn’t really justify a non-contextual claim like “it is better to be able.” Instead it suggests something like: “It is better for an individual to be able in the contextual sense of ability that they desire to possess.”
    In that form, I cannot say that someone else’s disability is disadvantageous to their well-being, only my own. I cannot even say that my own is disadvantageous simply or absolutely: it may be in some respect but not others, and in some circumstances not others.
    And yet. And here is where I sympathize with the OP. I can be dishonest with myself and others about what subjectively and contextually valuable abilities I wish to have.
    For example, perhaps I’ve always wanted to be pilot, it’s something I strongly desire to do, but I learn that my visual impairment will make it impossible to fulfill that desire. From my contextual perspective, it is better to be able. But I might be motivated to tell myself it’s not in order to alleviate the loss.
    It is not wrong to point out that this kind of bad faith is possible: that we can be dishonest or even mistaken about our subjective, contextually bound judgments of good abilities.
    Many disabilities are, simply put, bad from the perspective of the person who has them under the circumstances in which they have them. To ignore this contextual fact is to tell those who perceive their disability in that way that they should lie to themselves about how they perceive it. That seems wrong to make into a general rule.
    On the other hand. I’m less sure about Jon’s move from the point about ability to a point about language. If it’s common for people to speak as if ability is intrinsically good, it may be overall for the best that we err on the side of caution and treat it as intrinsically neutral, even if that leads to the false impression that it’s value or disvalue is not really contextual.

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  31. LK McPherson Avatar
    LK McPherson

    JC, I’m sympathetic to your strong response to the policing of “ableist” language. More broadly, there is the trend of simply charging “-ist” or “-phobic,” as if the suffix indicates by itself that the language or thought in question is objectionable. Of course, this convinces no one in terms of substance though might succeed (in some quarters) in establishing speech norms. I don’t read you as denying that there are examples of language surrounding disability that truly are disrespectful or marginalizing. Perhaps explicitly making a distinction between objectionably and non-objectionably “ableist” language might have been helpful.
    But I don’t understand why you’re reaching here for a general critique of “social liberalism.” I didn’t find any interesting argument in the DeBoer piece: all I found were familiar laments about the excesses of political correctness, along with naive speculation about how political correctness is undermining social justice causes. For the love of God, please don’t invoke the tired promise of “people of good will”–those forever elusive folks ready and willing to be convinced to support doing the right thing, were they not offended by the intemperate manner of activist types. Since “the left” gets mocked for being nice and for being mean, there’s reason to doubt that indifference or resistance to its justice causes often comes down to its supposedly counterproductive style.

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  32. C.T. Avatar
    C.T.

    As a blind woman, I find your discussion of your friend’s obit. particularly disturbing. You write, “(And please read Neil Tennant’s obituary for Justin below,*** which speaks to Justin’s astonishingly rich ability (not just astonshingly rich for a blind guy, but all the more interesting and impressive since it’s a blind guy talking) to describe experiences, such as public street in Indonesia, in visual terms.)” You call his abilities astonishing (supposedly whether he’s blind or not) but the thing you (and the author) point to is his ability to describe things in visual terms — something that would not be remarked upon about a sighted person; it certainly would never be called an “astonishingly rich ability” for someone who is sighted…. but you insist it would. That’s a rather disingenuous statement or, maybe you think sighted people are really incompetent at articulation?
    As a blind woman, I know how to describe visuals because, like most blind people, we live in a sighted world; we’ve learned how to talk to sighted people, speak the language. I know better than to give a sighted person directions the way that would be most beneficial/helpful/informative to me because it would be considered inconsiderate, inappropriate, and, quite frankly, confusing to the average sighted person; so, I’ve got to know (am required to know) how to talk to privileged set (in this case, the sighted) while they are not required to know how to, for example, give directions to me. “Over there” is not helpful but it is what I must deal with because of able-bodied privilege. As G.S. points out, this isn’t about hurting anyone’s feelings (mine, yours or anyone else); it is about how language privileges one group and denies the lack of privilege of another. You contend that being able-bodied is better than being disabled; perhaps, that is your personal truth. Perhaps, you are incapable and, therefore, project your incompetence upon others; I’ve no idea nor do I particularly care.
    What I do know is that blindness, for me, is simply a physical trait (like my brown hair or the fact that I’m ambidextrous or the color of my skin or my sex). But like some of these traits (ex. the color of my skin), these traits, due to social constructs, provide privilege to some by denying rights to others…. Being able-bodied (like whiteness) gives one privilege and, to the extent that society has labeled this the “correct” way of being, one can declare able-bodiedness “better” either openly (as you have in this piece) or in other, more subtle ways (ex. language, disproportional wages when all other things are equal, being black and male makes on a deadly weapon, etc.).
    You speak (in your response to G.S.) that being a parent means that you should want better for your children and that, somehow, “better” means providing therapy that was not available to you…. I don’t normally do personally story but I feel the need to present the “child’s” point of view here (albeit the adult child). My mother wishes there were a way to “cure” me, make me “better;” in effect, she is wishing me dead (to not exist). I recognize that your perception of disability is based (from what I can tell) on your lament that you, for example, can’t drive like other people and other things sighted people do. And, I recognize we live in a society that has trained you to believe that you should lament these things, this inability. However, wishing, hoping, attempting to insure that your child can make more money than you is not the same as putting your child through therapies, surgeries, etc., in hopes of “cure.” The former is changing the environment and/or conditions around which the child exists; the latter is an attempt to change the child because the child is considered inherently wrong. I was fortunate, like you, there were no “therapies” or surgeries to “correct” and/or “cure” me; however, I know others who went through therapies and surgeries because their parents (like you, like my mother) wished for cure or, at least, more normal. The narratives these individuals give is not a pretty one; discussion of therapies that, if done to an able-bodied child, would constitute child sexual assault. Therapies that left children in physical pain; some with psychological scars because of what was done in the name of cure or correction…. and all because the parents thought they were making things better for their child. When the thing one is attempting to change is the child; the “thing” is the child. While I’m sure you don’t mean your child any harm; like most parents, I’m sure you’ve good intentions. But intent doesn’t always line up with the result. But I’m way off topic… or, perhaps not.
    My point is that language is, quite frequently, connected to actions. And while criticizing another’s language simply to criticize it is pointless, there is a point, a purpose to critiquing how society utilizes language to police those who are not part of the privileged set. Just like society’s actions (whether it be shooting an unarmed black man for jaywalking or taking a mother’s child away because she has a disability), language can be and is used to remind us of our place and, unlike the more extreme actions, can and is used everyday.

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  33. Ray Aldred Avatar

    Hi Jon,
    I read your blog post and subsequent defences for it last night, and decided to hold off on a comment until today. Now, I just can’t figure out what the central argument is or what your trying to defend, so I’ll try to reply to a few things you appear to present and defend. Please note, I am actually a severely disabled philosopher with Muscular Dystrophy. This is not a so called “minor” impairment. I utilize a power wheelchair, my limbs have limited movement, I sometimes sleep with a bi-pap machine to breath for me, and my neuromuscular system is getting progressively weaker. In most provinces, I count as severely disabled, and yet I don’t subscribe to the “all else being equal” theory on disability you present, or your views about alleged “speech policing.” The former ignores complex differences in different modes of performance, and the latter appears to be based on a bit of a straw man. I also found the title of the piece itself is a bit odd, considering ableism is a term coined by disability rights advocates to describe their oppression. Are you praising this oppression? Or perhaps your usage of “ableism” here is “inartful”-whatever that means? But, I digress.
    Now, I’m not sure if you are actually still defending the “all else being equal, it is better to be abled” any more. At times, you appear to apologize for it, other times you appear to defend it. Let me get this out of the way though: most of the literature accusing certain intellectuals of being ableist, do not claim that cancer is not bad, harmful and so on. Nor is there a significant movement to remove ability laden language in our every day parlance. Heck, I still tell people I go for walks, without hesitation. Yet you appear to argue that this exists, and is represented across our culture. You also appear to present several cases where accusations of ableism MIGHT happen: your friend suffering from cancer, cases of dementia, Justin’s obituary, and the word “visionary” to describe someone. Now, I consider myself widely read in disability related literature, but I haven’t read anyone really accusing people of ableism in any of these cases. Perhaps you can point me to places where the accusation of ableism is presented?
    Okay, now onto the claim of “all else being equal, it is better to be abled.” As stated previously, this ignores complex difference in different modes of performance. Wheelchair users are often closer to the ground, require two hands to propel (or one, if using a power wheelchair), uses less energy, and is faster than walking. There are instances where wheelchair users are at an advantage: when in a wheelchair accessible environment, in particular. Consider my recent trip to Vegas. My friends had to slowly walk in scorching heat to each of our destinations. Vegas also has a lot of space between different buildings, requiring walking longer distances. In comparison to my friends, I just had to turn up my wheelchair speed and roll to the next destination. For me, limited time was spent outdoors. Meanwhile, my friends were exhausted and covered in sweat. Now, we are in an equal environment, I was the “disabled” person, yet I was better off. All else being equal, it was better to be in a wheelchair in Vegas. That being said, you also ignore how the environment contributes to our being less well off or better off. You appear to assume that disability is mostly reducible to biological deviations and health related conditions located in particular organisms (without including the social environment the organism is located in), and you appear to assume that these conditions have the value assessment of being bad inherent to them. This seems to be wrong. The condition and the value assessment of the condition are conceptually distinct. We can study the condition and describe it, and the question of whether it’s bad or good is different.
    Another factor you appear to highlight is the idea that disability has a “biological teleology” associated with it. You say, “That is, in any human society likely to promote general flourishing, it’s going to still be better not to suffer dementia and to have all of one’s limbs.” But some milder forms of dementia are actually perfectly fine to live with. There are individuals who live in social environments where their rational deficits can be accommodated for, and those close to them can take over for whatever capacities are lost. In clinical cases, some individuals with Alzheimer’s disease aren’t even diagnosed until their partner passes on. Their partner was so adept at helping them that it never really became a problem. Moreover, what about societies that contain high-tech prosthetics that enable amputees to walk faster, jump higher, and run longer than they otherwise could (better than non-amputees, in some cases). Indeed, it seems not having a limb can actually be better in these societies. Would it not?
    You also suggest that one cannot accommodate all disabilities, and highlight this fact by stating that “accommodating some implies not accommodating others.” Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the point, but the latter implication you highlight appears to be false. Consider a mall with automatic doors and ramps. Now, this doesn’t exclude walkers from participation, and actually includes access to persons in wheelchairs. The amount of people being included is broader, because of accommodation. The set of people not accommodated for is smaller. In addition, while I don’t mind the claim that it is impossible to accommodate all disabilities, this line of thought is often used to not include accommodation when it is perfectly fine and acceptable to do so. I can recall hearing a conservative politician defending his “right” to use round handles on his building doors, as opposed to door handles that are easily usable by persons with disabilities affecting their dexterity. His defense was loosely based on the premise that you can’t accommodate all disabilities. Okay. But, why does this even matter?
    Now, consider my exchange on the bus the other day. A man sat next to me while I was on my way to campus to help teach a biomedical ethics course, and noticed my different embodiment. Operating out of the assumption that all else being equal, it is better to be abled, he expressed his condolences towards the fact that I used a wheelchair, and how awful it must be for me. Now, my day was going perfectly well, until he expressed this belief. He’s assuming that my life awful, because I have the condition that I do. Similar sentiments are expressed when I am on a date, and people remark to my partner how brave she is for being with someone like me. Both are operating out of the assumption that all else being equal, it is better to be abled. When I reply that I am perfectly fine the way I am, I get an incredulous stare that I must be pretending that I am actually okay, since nobody in their right mind can have my condition and think such things. But, to me, this was extremely presumptuous, if not hurtful, and epistemicically invalidating. To clarify, individuals, like me, who don’t subscribe to your “everything else being equal” assumption do not think that all health conditions are perfectly fine, but that our value assessment of these things are contingent on multiple factors. And, in many instances, assumptions made about abilities by others are often wrong. Now, let me be clear, your views didn’t really hurt me, nor did I find them insulting. I just thought your claims and arguments were unconvincing, and title rather unthoughtful (or perhaps inartful?). But maybe that was the whole point.

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  34. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Sorry I let you down. I typically respect your opinion as well (and, in addition, have immense respect for your philosophical achievement).
    What should I do now when someone vitriolically attacks you as a bad person in a subsequent comment of this post for using “blindness” in the way you did? Simply refuse to allow the comment forward? Allow it without comment?
    I honestly don’t know what you mean by “self-pitying caricature”? I really don’t. Please read the comment where I mention Nietzsche. I’m happy with who I am and what I’m doing. There’s no self-pity whatsoever and I didn’t intend to communicate any. I apologize to the extent that the confusion is my fault. Caricature? I’m sorry Mark, but you don’t have access to my medical records. How could you possibly know that?
    Fine if you don’t agree with me. But I can’t help but to see your response as another clear example of what I’m complaining about. Somebody disagrees with the consensus and as a result they must be a bad person.

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  35. Anonymous philosopher Avatar
    Anonymous philosopher

    It’s interesting that those who are most enraged with what Jon (I think eloquently) argued have, and who have been the most personally insulting, have literally nothing by way of reason or argument to offer in response. Their comments perfectly encapsulate the kind of conduct that Jon is shining a bright light on.

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  36. John Protevi Avatar

    Where does Lance call you a bad person, or even imply it?
    His whole comment is based upon the discrepancy of your goodness as a person and the shockingly bad performance of this post and comment thread. Do you really not understand that someone can say “Jones is a great person but he really fucked up in this instance, and that’s what’s so surprising”?

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  37. John Protevi Avatar

    Jon, you are conflating my (controversial, I’ll admit) tactic of snarking at repeated anti-feminist trolls (or culpably ignorant philosobros) with “language policing” around ableist metaphors. (Side note: I wish you had done me the courtesy of citing my post on that: http://www.newappsblog.com/2012/02/in-defense-of-snark-or-breaking-down-the-walls-of-the-universal-seminar-room.html)
    That conflation, however, is really damaging, and fits right in to a reactionary bemoaning of the “PC is destroying America” type.
    Look at it this way: to be an anti-feminist in 2014 is a lot different from not having been sensitized to ableist metaphors in 2014. The latter is akin to not being sensitized to patriarchal metaphors in 1971; there is a legitimate question as to tactics with dealing with those unaware of ableist metaphors, but to conflate that with the question of how best to deal with anti-feminist trolls in 2014 is a very disappointing move.

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  38. Anonymous philosopher Avatar
    Anonymous philosopher

    We await your swift, snark-filled takedown of Mark Lance’s use of the ableist metaphor of “blindness” on Jon’s part (which, as he has made clear, is especially demeaning given his personal circumstances — see his response to HDC).
    crickets chirping

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  39. Mark Lance Avatar
    Mark Lance

    Since there seems to be a genuine question of what I meant, I’ll respond once. Then I’m really done.
    First, what John said. That’s the sort of thing I meant by caricature. I say completely clearly that I think you are a good person, and you “interpret” that as saying you are a bad person. When I wrote the previous comment I had in mind your caricature of Ed. There are others through this thread.
    Self-pitying: of course it had nothing to do with your medical records. I meant your constant claim that because someone disagreed or criticized you they were silencing you, basically a tone suggesting you are oppressed because people call you out on what you said here.
    I hope that clarifies.

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  40. John Protevi Avatar

    Christ, you are thick. My whole point is that critiques of ableist metaphors go by different rules than snark at philosobros.

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  41. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    That’s not what he said John. First, he said he agreed with Ed’s post which ends with a pretty nasty ad hominem.
    Second, he characterized the discussion of comments above as “self-pitying caricature,” which is uncharitable and insulting. That’s pretty far above and beyond saying that he finds my arguments wanting.
    It’s clear why this kind of drift from epistemic to moral appraisal happens. Say my post was about modal realism and he found it just as epistemically bad. Not as much is at stake. Mark, Eric, Ed, Rachel, and Adam genuinely find expressions of the sort that I’ve made above to be in some sense capable of causing harm. All else being equal, it’s appropriate to engage in moral censure if that were the case.
    From the footnotes in the OP I thought it was clear that I am ambivalent about this. As I clearly noted, I support the R word project and anti-bullying campaigns. I support Richard Rorty’s conditional support of “political correctness.”
    Nonetheless, I do not support automatic condemnations of uses of language that presuppose that it is better to have some ability than others (such as Lance’s use of “blindness” in criticizing me). I don’t think I should be ashamed to say that people who don’t vaccinate their kids or people who don’t get their children cochlear implants (given the current technology) are being abusive. I don’t think I should be ashamed for giving reasons for these beliefs.
    I also don’t think that the supposed silencing that I am critiquing is anything near as big a problem as the bullying and hurt that Knoxville, Rorty, et. al. are talking about. This is how I understand Lance’s second point about how he thinks about the effect of what he is saying before he says it.
    Nonetheless, I do believe that the end result of too much silencing is just a bunch of people preaching to the converted, and that from a broadly leftist perspective, this has been deleterious. It’s part of the way that the wonderful possibilities this technology presents to further social justice has been squandered. So much of what we do now involves just saying predictable things about current affairs to people who already agree with us.
    I admit that Mark might be right that I am misjudging the hedonic calculus in deciding whether to say something. But I don’t think this justifies his mischaracterization of my comments above, nor his agreement with Ed Kazarians ad hominem.

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  42. Anonymous philosopher Avatar
    Anonymous philosopher

    Excuse me — I await your language-policing.
    crickets chirping loud as ever

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  43. John Protevi Avatar

    I cannot believe a professional philosopher thinks “The fact that Jon seems to have lost perspective on the larger fact of those systems of exclusion and the need to work to ameliorate them is disappointing, to say the least” constitutes an ad hominem. Seriously, this is very weak sauce.

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  44. John Protevi Avatar

    “language-policing” dafuq? do you even lift bro? I don’t language-police; you want to snark with me you can bring it on. otherwise STFU.

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  45. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Your own comment is an ad hominem. You can’t believe I’m a professional philosopher?
    How could Ed Kazarian possibly know what I do or don’t do to ameliorate systems of exclusion? Does he go to my church, which is deeply involved with trying to stop predatory pay day lending loans, trying to stop white people from carving off their own school district, and supporting a wide range of GLBT issues? The stuff we do there makes vastly more difference than anything I could possibly say on a blog. Has he followed any of my fights with LSU administration which I can’t blog about? Again, those things actually make a difference.
    I hope that bringing up personal information doesn’t come across as self-pitying caricature.
    He couldn’t just explain why he disagreed with me. He had to say that my post is conclusive evidence that I’ve lost sit of the need to ameliorate systems of exclusion. It’s not only ad hominem but deeply misleading about how I actually live my life.
    Let me say again that I did not approve comments 33 or 34. On our comments policy it clearly says that people who do the post moderate the blog. Fine whoever is breaking the policy, but unless the comments policy is changed I’m have to point out each comment I didn’t approve.

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  46. Scu Avatar

    JC: The fact that you’re upset deeply by what you see as an ad hominem, and then being unconvinced if certain types of language use can cause harm seems to be in tension.
    Speaking of tension, saying that Ed’s comment causes silencing, and characterizing people who think differently than you as existing outside of rational discourse (eg, when you call them insane), and also using the term newspeak, which literally characterizes people on the left concerned about the harmful effect of language as being the same as a totalitarian system, also exist in tension.

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  47. John Protevi Avatar

    Saying about a statement of Jones that “I can’t believe a professional philosopher would say X is an ad hominem” =/= “I can’t believe Jones is a professional philosopher.” It means Jones has really fucked up the meaning of the term ad hominem.
    As for Ed having to have a comprehensive understanding of your life in order to say that IN THIS POST that you “seem to have lost perspective on the larger fact of those systems of exclusion and the need to work to ameliorate them is disappointing, to say the least” — that is absurd. It creates such a barrier to criticize your performance that only the author of your biography could ever criticize something you write. And that is something I can’t believe a professional philosopher would fail to see the self-serving nature of.

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  48. a prof Avatar
    a prof

    Yes, exactly. I’m glad the thread title was changed. No one thinks it’s good to indulge in ableist bigotry. The right way to put it is that reasonable people of good will need to work out what is and isn’t ableist through open discussion without needless recriminations. (Or perhaps better, as LK McPherson puts it, what is and isn’t “objectionably ableist.”)

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  49. Phil H Avatar

    I disagreed with Jon’s post, for reasons which others have articulated above.
    The biggest problem with de Boer’s and related arguments appears to be their empirical falsehood. Jon gave a beautiful example: “What should I do now when someone vitriolically attacks you as a bad person in a subsequent comment of this post for using “blindness” in the way you did?” But so far as I can see, no-one did. The dilemma Jon claims to exist does not, in fact, exist. The supposed harm done by the PC police appears to me to have been largely imagined.
    The misuse of the term ad hominem is also weird.
    I assume Jon’s gone now, but what I’d really like to know is what set this off. Jon referred to “someone accused of “ableism” “; “cultural revolution type denunciations”; “people taking themselves to speak for us”. I think the problem here is an empirical one: I’ve never seen such things. Now, perhaps that is because I don’t read carefully enough; perhaps because I am privileged. A few examples would make things much, much clearer.
    I hope I’m not being that troll who demands that sexism be explained to him. I don’t mean to be. I think I would recognise ableism (and sexism) if I saw it. I’m just sincerely asking for examples, because I think that much more agreement could be forged in that way.

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