By: Samir Chopra

In response to my post on an act of philosophical silencing, Wesley Buckwalter wrote the following comment:  

As you know, I was the gentleman that made that remark in a private facebook thread with a close friend. If I recall correctly, people in that thread were asking about whether certain kinds of thought experiments were typically referred to as “Gettier Cases”. I said that they were, despite how inaccurate or uninformative it might be to do so, in part because of the alternative traditions you cite. I’m sorry you interpreted my remark as silencing my friends on facebook. Personally I believe that philosophers should abandon the notion of “Gettier cases” and that the practice of labeling thought experiments in this way should be discouraged. If you are interested, I have recently argued for this in two articles here (http://philpapers.org/rec/BLOGCA) and here (http://philpapers.org/rec/TURKAL).

Many thanks to Wesley for his clarification. His initial comment, which I cited, did not acknowledge the content of the other comment I had quoted, and neither did it mention the presence of "alternative traditions" as a reason for the stance that he takes in the first of the two papers he refers me to. Those papers, if I remember correctly, were not cited in the thread. So, in the comment he had initially made, it had seemed to me that the amendment offered by the first commenter had not been taken on board.(In the Gettier case paper, Wesley refers to the following article–Turri, John. 2012. In Gettier’s Wake. In S. Hetherington (Ed.) Epistemology: The Key Thinkers. Continuum Press–as citing the Indian philosopher Sriharsa as someone who has offered similar examples. I am obviously very glad to see such an acknowledgment made in a published work.)

Let me go on to say that the attitude I was interested in highlighting, even if not instantiated in this particular token, is an existent type. (As you can tell, I was trained as an Anglo-American analytical philosopher.) Which is why I was not interested in naming individuals but in pointing to the existence of an intellectual stance. To the commenter Chris, who thinks he was 'misled', let me direct the following question:  What were you misled about? That an unnamed individual indulged in silencing or that the silencing of academic conversations about alternative philosophical traditions exists in academic philosophy? Perhaps my excessive familiarity with such acts of silencing, thanks to twenty-three years of utter failure in provoking a conversation about Indian philosophy, led me to the kind of conclusions I drew. I don't think the conclusion to be drawn in response to my original post is that all is good, there is nothing to see here, and that we should just move on.

I started studying philosophy twenty-three years ago. In that time, I've only managed to provoke conversations about alternative philosophical traditions with the following demographics: one graduate school friend of mine who asked me a few questions about Indian philosophy while we were drinking beers, one senior professor who teaches Buddhism (among other things), my dissertation adviser (an Indian) who is a practicing Buddhist, and the attendees at a conference on Eastern philosophy a few years ago (My apologies to anyone I missed out on.). In that same period, I've initiated several conversations about Indian philosophy, and have had them all shot down with varying degrees of skepticism and disdain. My worst mistake was to try to talk about Buddhist theories of relational consciousness with the members of a class on consciousness who were going down the usual Nagel-Block-Rosenthal-Ramachandran-Churchland et al route.

I realized over the years that most people I talked to in philosophical academia conflated 'Eastern philosophy' with 'mysticism'. In response, I would sometimes point to the 'harder' schools: Samkhya and Lokyata (or Carvaka). The latter, in particular, was materialist in its orientation; perhaps that would appeal to the hard-edged analytical types I hung out with, the ones so enamored of science? Sometimes I would try to talk about Nyaya;  you know, logic and inference, and all that good stuff that analytical types like and love? No dice. It never worked. I was perceived as either indulging in a kind of facile 'We've done it all before!'–perhaps like someone invoking the glories of the Nubian empire in a modern conversation about technological and cultural achievements–or dragging in wishy-washy pale imitations of the real thing.  (Logic only started with Frege, Russell, and Wittgenstein, dontcha know?)

But, of course, those traditions were not the only ones so dismissed. Within 'Western philosophy' I have heard graduate students who had never read Foucault dismiss him as 'useless', describe feminist theory as fundamentally misguided, and the less said about critical race theory, the better.

A few weeks ago, I posted a photograph of an old family friend, a former professor of philosophy, with the following caption:

A photo of my brother and myself with Dr. Dhirendra Sharma, a man I deeply admire and respect. He is the author of _The Negative Dialectics: A Study of the Negative Dialecticism in Indian Philosophy_, _The Differentiation Theory of Meaning in Indian Logic_, a critic of India's nuclear program back in the 1970s, (when he was writing about "appropriate technology"), an environmental activist working to preserve the Garhwal Himalayas, and going back further, an anti-Vietnam war activist when he had tenure at Michigan State. He is now in his 80s, fit as a fiddle, bright as ever. I aspire to his health and wisdom.

Posting that photograph reminded me of an incident that occurred during my thirtieth birthday. On that day, many of my graduate school friends showed up to help me celebrate. Some of us moved to my room to drink beer and smoke cigarettes. I then owned one of Professor Sharma's books and I took it down from the shelves and thrust it toward one of my friends. Because it featured 'meaning' in its title, and because all of us, as analytical types, seemed suitably obeisant toward philosophy of language, I thought it might get someone interested in opening it and taking a look. Instead, it was contemptuously waved off, even when I desperately said that it invoked distinctions that were reminiscent of the Fregean distinction between sense and reference. No one accepted the book held out, and it remained unopened.

Silencing exists.

This post was originally published–under the same title–at samirchopra.com.

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13 responses to “Philosophical Silencing: A Follow-Up”

  1. John Turri Avatar

    Dear Samir,
    Wesley’s comment doesn’t look like a “clarification” but rather a polite correction of the misleading portrayal of his remarks in your earlier post. I’m not sure what sort of conversational scoreboard you keep, or how you decide whether subsequent contributions “take on board” previous “amendments,” but no “silencing” took place. Indeed, as one commentator on the previous post noted, it was misleading to characterize it as such. What’s more, to add insult to injury, it turns out that Wesley has devoted a considerable amount of his research to identifying potential variability in intuitions residing at the center of philosophical debates, and how this could in turn potentially relate to the field’s challenges with diversity. Wesley’s basic approach to philosophical inquiry is the exact opposite of silencing, so it’s a real injustice for his remarks to be mischaracterized and exploited in this way.

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  2. Samir Chopra Avatar

    Dear John,
    I did not name Wesley in my original post. I made clear my issue is not with particular individuals but with attitudes, of which I took his quoted remark to be an instance of because of its content and phrasing and timing–as I pointed out. You see his comment as a ‘correction’; I see it as a ‘clarification’. Perhaps we could have an extended debate–linguistic analysis at its best!–about when a clarification is actually a correction. But if you prefer ‘correction’ so be it–as your emphatic italicizing of the word suggests, you are very invested in this interpretation of Wesley’s comment. I welcome the correction, then. I don’t know what kind of scoreboard of injustices rendered and sustained you maintain, but feel free to make an entry that reads ‘Wesley – 1; Samir – 0’. Feel free too, to make this about particular individuals and to ignore the larger issue I’m raising. But perhaps you will only be assuaged by some form of groveling apology from someone who clearly seems to have an irrational chip on his shoulder. And with that tendered, we can all get on with business as usual.

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  3. John Turri Avatar

    Dear Samir,
    It’s to your credit that you did not name names. People had to do a bit of extra work to find out who you were referring to. A nontrivial number of people did this and word travels fast. I agree that silencing occurs and that it is insidious. I am glad to see you discussing it. A positive outcome is more likely if you’d find an actual example of it, though. Otherwise, well-meaning people considering the issue for the first time might simply assume that, if that’s the best you can do, it must not be a real problem after all. And, of course, it tends to be counterproductive when one makes one’s point at the expense of somebody who has devoted time and energy to being on the right side of the issue.

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  4. Samir Chopra Avatar

    Dear John,
    Your substantive points are all good ones, and I accept them. In my follow-up, I had sought to establish the existence of a pattern of silencing by providing some autobiographical detail. This still only paints a partial picture of what I think is an active marginalization–to modern academic philosophy’s loss–of many valuable philosophical traditions.

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  5. John Turri Avatar

    Dear Samir,
    I definitely appreciate the biographical details, which help improve our appreciation of the myriad ways that credit and respect are routinely channeled into well-worn paths in our profession.

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  6. elisa freschi Avatar

    Hi Samir,
    I am here NOT discussing the specific case at stake, but I agree with the general problem you point out: We or most of us tend to be too much focused on a single group of texts, authors, problems and approaches. Opening the window and letting challenges come in would be beneficial to all, I am inclined to think. Further details here: http://philosopherscocoon.typepad.com/blog/2015/01/why-testing-logic-or-philosophy-in-general-on-non-western-ideas.html

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  7. Jennifer Nagel Avatar

    Dear Samir,
    I’m so sorry you’ve had bad experiences when you’ve tried to turn the conversation towards philosophical traditions outside the dominant Anglo-American realm. I’ve got to say my first reaction on reading the post was, “Dude, you’ve gotta find yourself some better friends.” It’s really unfriendly of them to be dismissive and contemptuous, if that’s what they were — some small part of me wonders whether your interlocutors might have on at least some occasions have been misread, as Wesley was, when he made a friendly comment that got taken as hostile. But I have no doubt that there is indeed plenty of hostility and contempt out there, and that you have indeed encountered real instances of it many times over the years.
    Here’s something I’d like to add to the conversation: silencing exists, but embracing exists too. I think you’ve actually been exceptionally unlucky in encountering only the former over the years. My own experience as far as Classical Indo-Tibetan philosophy is concerned has been very different. I don’t read Sanskrit, Tibetan or Pali, so I will never be a scholar of that field, but I’ve read a fair bit of the secondary literature — this book is amazing, and a must-read for any epistemologist interested in testimony — and a bunch of stuff in translation (often just for fun – Śrīharṣa is outrageously witty, right?). As I say, I’m no scholar, but I do mention examples and ideas from this tradition in print and in talks sometimes, and I’ve only ever met curiosity, interest, engagement and enthusiasm when I’ve done so. I’ve also seen others (including serious scholars) find very warm receptions for getting into these traditions: my countryman Evan Thompson’s new book is doing terrifically well, for example (you have to get it on Kindle for now, the paper copies are all sold out). And, just to name names, here are just of few of the many people I’ve seen expressing enthusiasm for these philosophical traditions in the past year alone, either on facebook or in conversation at conferences: David Chalmers, Brian Weatherson, Alvin Goldman and Timothy Williamson.
    Of course in saying that I’ve been lucky to interact with many people who are open to ideas from outside the Anglo canon, I’m not denying that there is a lot of contempt and hostility towards “non-Western” thinking. I’ve experienced that brush-off reaction too, not for Classical Indian thought, but for many other things I find interesting (experimental philosophy, feminist philosophy, analytic metaphysics, analytic epistemology, empirical work on metacognition, dual process theory). It stings because the brush-off is a very difficult conversational move to deal with: if someone just says something wrong or controversial about some particular feminist thinker you can step up and try to rebut that, but if they just make a disgusted face, you are out in the cold. Of course brushing off is something that people who want to win arguments are most likely to do when you have moved into conversational territory where they don’t know anything (which is why it doesn’t surprise me that you’ve encountered it so much in trying to discuss alternative traditions). Most of us don’t know much about those traditions, given our graduate educations. The easiest thing to do is to perpetuate the traditions we were educated in already — it takes real work to bring new things in.
    So on the positive side, what can we do to make that real work happen? We could try to shame people for silencing discussion of alternative traditions. That might have some effect, but I worry that sending out the single message “If you talk about this stuff, you will be ignored and hated” isn’t the best way of encouraging people to talk about this stuff, and trying to make people feel guilty about brushing-off isn’t the best way to stop it from happening. I want to encourage you and others to keep trying to talk about these traditions, even knowing that sometimes you’ll be less lucky than I’ve been and get the cold shoulder. Silencing exists, and should be interpreted by the person who sees it happen as largely just a sign of the would-be silencer’s ignorance. Embracing exists too, and should be celebrated (and based on my experience, anticipated). There is a changing climate, and one that presents great opportunities to engage with other traditions and diminish our ignorance and insularity.

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  8. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Hi Samir,
    I read your initial post with some interest, as I think we should spend more time considering whether the tendency to treat a class of epistemological arguments e.g. as “gettier cases” might have a subterranean influence on the way philosophy is done and the avenues that get explored.
    The reason I felt misled was that the particular instance which lent evidential weight to the points you made turned out to have significance precisely contrary to the argument you were making. In fact, the example was of someone agreeing that the labelling of such cases as Gettier was crude/historically inaccurate. Insofar as readers who would not look at the comments might take Wesley’s (anonymised) comments as supporting your position, that post was indeed misleading.
    It may well be that you yourself have significant experience that is empirical evidence (for you) of the phenomenon in question. But for me as a reader that will have to be substantiated, and I felt as though some explicit mention of Wesley’s actual intentions would be the intellectually honest thing to do. And I thank you for doing it.
    Thanks too for the post; as I said, I found it thought provoking, and I hope it is an avenue you continue to pursue.
    All best,
    Chris

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  9. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    *when I say that “it will have to be substantiated”, I do not mean that I disbelieve your anecdote above. Such anecdotes are the kind of substantiation I am talking about.
    Best,
    Chris

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  10. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    **see also in this regard the evidence in David Graeber’s book “Debt” adduced to show that some of the work done by Scottish enlightenment philosophers was pinched from arabic philosophy done centuries previously – e.g. footnote 85, p438
    https://libcom.org/files/__Debt__The_First_5_000_Years.pdf

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  11. Patrick S. O'Donnell Avatar

    In the spirit of Jennifer’s comment above, there is a very basic compilation of works in Indian philosophy here (I hope to update it before the end of the year*): https://www.academia.edu/5645257/Indic_or_Indian_Philosophy_A_Basic_Bibliography
    * And thus I welcome suggestions for additional titles toward that end.

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  12. Sherri Irvin Avatar

    I’m glad to know that Jennifer Nagel has had more positive experiences than Samir has had in discussions about Indian philosophy. I think it’s important to acknowledge the possibility that white privilege has contributed to the difference in their experiences. It has been observed, e.g. by George Yancy, that white speakers are seen as more credible by white listeners when they make the same observations about race that a Black speaker makes. One (though not the only possible) explanation is that Black speakers are seen as having a vested interest and thus being biased.
    Similarly, perhaps when Samir mentions Indian philosophy, the implicit assumption is, “Well, that’s only interesting to him because he’s Indian.” But when Jennifer Nagel mentions Indian philosophy, the implicit assumption may be, “Well, that must be genuinely interesting if she is interested in it!”
    Jennifer Nagel’s points about strategy may still be well taken. But perhaps strategy should not be the only consideration when Samir is deciding to describe his experience with silencing publicly.

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  13. Bharath Vallabha Avatar
    Bharath Vallabha

    Jennifer Nagel at 7 makes some good points. Also, she and others might be right that the instance in question that Samir Chopra initially discussed was a misunderstanding, and no silencing was intended nor occurred objectively.
    Still, given Chopra’s background experiences going back decades, it seems reasonable that he might have felt silenced when he read the facebook comment in question, and that he might have blogged about it as a way to overcome that feeling of being silenced. Even granted that the felt sense of being silenced didn’t track the reality, telling someone that they need to be more positive and see that change is afoot seems strategically, and emotionally, misplaced. The issues isn’t just whether change is afoot; it is what to do with the decades of real experience of being actually silenced. There is no objective fact of the matter about whether one ought to be optimistic about the profession, or whether talk of embracing is in general a better strategy than talk of silencing. To make it seem like there is a fact about that seems somewhat convenient, especially if, as Nagel notes, she has been pretty lucky in her experiences. It seems strange to say that both the lucky and the unlucky should adopt the same strategy.

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