Massimo Pigliucci has written an excellent piece criticizing Plantinga’s theistic arguments, recounted recently in an interview with Gary Gutting on the New York Times “Stone” blog. (See also Helen de Cruz's discussion.) Plantinga’s belief rests, according to himself, not on argument but on “experience.” We have an inborn inclination to believe in God, and like perceptual experience, this is self-validating.  Theism doesn’t rest, for example, on inference to the best explanation. Denying God because science explains so much of what was once attributed to God is like denying the Moon because it is no longer needed to explain lunacy.

Fair enough. I won’t venture to oppose an argument that is credible only if you believe the conclusion. But what of Plantinga’s arguments against atheism? Here is one that will be familiar to most readers. Suppose that materialism and evolution are true. It follows (for present purposes, never mind how) our belief-producing processes will be imperfectly reliable. Given that we have hundreds of independent beliefs, it’s virtually certain that some will be false. This means that our “overall reliability,” i.e. the probability that we have no false beliefs, is “exceedingly low.” “If you accept both materialism and evolution, you have good reason to believe that your belief-producing faculties are not reliable.”

Wait a minute!


What you showed, Professor Plantinga, is that even if your belief processes were highly but not perfectly reliable—even if, for example, two-thirds of our beliefs were true—“overall reliability,” defined as the probability of all of our beliefs being true, is “exceedingly low: something like 0.0004.” True, but surely acknowledging that at least some of my beliefs are false is not “to fall into a total scepticism!” Bracketing the paradox of the preface (“At least one proposition in this book is false”), which Plantinga rightly does not invoke, this doesn’t give us any reason to be sceptical about any particular proposition (except that all of our beliefs are true). In fact, Plantinga seems to concede that our belief-production processes might be reliable.

All this talk about probabilities masks a deeper misunderstanding about explanation in general.  Let me make the point by using Plantinga’s own calculations. Given 2/3 reliability and 100 independent beliefs, he says “the probability that all of a group of beliefs are true” is 0.0004. Still there are 7 billion persons on Earth. So even if we have somewhat more than 100 independent beliefs each—if you exclude beliefs made credible by direct perception, we don’t have all that many independent beliefs—it is not unlikely that somebody on Earth has no false beliefs. Let’s call this person Vlad. Vlad is, at least for now, infallible. Let’s suppose he locks his position in by committing suicide.

Re Vlad: Here is a bad argument. (Since Plantinga’s theism does not rest on argument, I am not going to say he accepts it.)  Vlad achieved infallibility. Given materialism and atheism, it is impossible to understand how he got that way. Introduce divine providence, and it is more comprehensible how Vlad came to be infallible. Thus inference to the best explanation leads us to affirm the existence of God.

This bad argument is the flip side of Plantinga’s. Plantinga rejects the supposed “scepticism” of affirming the truth of all of our beliefs. On this basis, he rejects the materialism and evolutionism that leads to this scepticism. On the flip side, we affirm the unlikelihood of Vlad being right about everything, and posit God as the best explanation of his amazing prescience. The fallacy lies in equivocating between the unlikelihood of Vlad being infallible and the unlikelihood of there being some infallible person.

The flip-side argument is (in effect) Thomas Nagel’s. Given materialist neo-Darwinism, the prior probability of rational consciousness emerging is very small. So its emergence must argue against materialist neo-Darwinism. That’s not right! Tom wins the lottery. Is that a reason to believe in God?

Let’s concede to Nagelian biology that in the preponderance of possible histories, rational consciousness did not emerge. It just so happens that the actual world is one of the very few in which it did. We wouldn’t be debating the point in a world in which it didn’t. In Nagelian biology, consciousness is a singularity. There is no argument to show that it must be made comprehensible. Nagel thinks that we must give credence to a theory that assigns high prior probability to the emergence of consciousness. This is only true if it actually has high prior probability. What is the argument that it does?

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  1. Charles R Avatar
    Charles R

    Isn’t it important what Plantinga argues for why it is specifically evolution that renders our beliefs about our actions (which, I take it, is his target, not so much first-order beliefs themselves) unreliable? As I took the argument, it goes that since evolution doesn’t select over beliefs but actions, then the fact (isn’t it a fact?) that actions overdetermine explanations means selecting actions lends beliefs about why the actions worked or didn’t work unwarranted confirmation regardless of their truth or falsity, and so selection won’t by itself work out which beliefs about our actions are the right ones to have.
    I think the car starts every time I press this button because the gremlins and the gnomes have come to an equitable arrangement allowing for me to use the car for my own purposes at their largesse. My fiancée thinks the car starts because a circuit closed in just the right way to prompt a series of chips and modules to begin the ignition process. Pressing the button and the car activating is consistent with both of these stories. There’s Plantinga’s example of fleeing the tiger, one I think goes something like this. Maybe a hominid thinks the tiger should be satisfied in its hunger, and it also thinks the best way of satisfying the tiger is to run away from it. The hominid lives to survive another day, and then relates this experience to another, who then likewise confirms the account: Yes, we satisfy the tiger’s hunger by running away from it, so let us continue to feed the tiger by fleeing it. These kinds of examples are his attempt to show how theories, given how they structure what we think happens, aren’t going to be selected (or, haven’t been selected) by our actions alone, since the theories, especially as they grow in ad hoc ways as people share them, seem to take up a lot of things we, today, will think are false.
    It’s his version of the pessimistic metainduction. I don’t think Plantinga intends this to prove or give strong support to theism, whichever variety, so much as subvert an idea that we can have truth without a means transcendent to ourselves for maintaining access to truth. It’s not so much that we are left with a preponderance of false beliefs—if there isn’t a god who connects our claims to actual states of things, there also isn’t a god who connects our claims to unreal states of things—but whether our theories are correct or incorrect doesn’t matter; true or false are irrelevant when it comes to what we believe, so long as our beliefs produce the right results. So, if we’re consistent materialists, we have to leave behind the category of truth and instead work within some account strictly of behavior. I think this is what he means about the likelihood of our beliefs being true or false: it’s maybe not so much they are ‘fifty-fifty’ as they are outside the scope of truth values. Is my belief more or less red? On the continuum of fluffiness, is this belief more coreward or spinward? From the conclusion of his argument, the kind of weirdness one feels in asking these questions about belief is how a consistent materialist-who-embraces-evolution should feel about beliefs being true or false.
    But maybe he has moved away from the earlier articles I read of this “argument against naturalism.”

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  2. Jonathan Weisberg Avatar
    Jonathan Weisberg

    This doesn’t seem to me a fair representation of Plantinga’s argument. The crux seems to be that each of our beliefs is only 50% likely to be true given materialism+evolution. Evolution doesn’t select for true beliefs, and thus each belief is as likely to be true as not.
    He does seem to go on to make a mistake like the one you point out early in your post, but isn’t it an inessential one? He measures an agent’s overall reliability by the probability that her entire corpus is true: 0.0004 if she has 100 independent beliefs where each is 0.5 likely to be true. He points out that this is well below the modest bar he’s chosen for illustrative purposes, namely 0.67. Of course, that’s a poor way to measure reliability, and if we choose to measure reliability this way then 0.67 is not a modest bar. But that doesn’t seem to me to affect the core of his argument: that our reliability properly measured would be 0.5 if evolution and materialism were true, and that’s unacceptably low.

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  3. Michael Bergmann Avatar
    Michael Bergmann

    This might not make a big difference to the discussion, but Plantinga says in the interview in the Stone: “I can’t give a complete statement of the argument here — for that see Chapter 10 of ‘Where the Conflict Really Lies’.” In light of that, I think it would be good if objections to his presentation of the argument in the NYT interview took into account what he says in WTCRL ch. 10.

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  4. M. Anderson Avatar
    M. Anderson

    Here’s a link to a much longer version of the argument, presumably more detailed than that in WTCRL 10.
    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/philosophy/virtual_library/articles/plantinga_alvin/naturalism_defeated.pdf

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  5. Sensoona Avatar

    Dr. Weisberg’s comment strikes me as spot on. I hope that there is some engagement with it…that would be very useful.

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  6. Michael Bergmann Avatar
    Michael Bergmann

    That link is to a 1994 article. He has revised it considerably since then, in response to many objections. About the argument as given in ch 10 of his 2012 book WTCRL he says (p. 310, n. 4): “In the years since I first proposed it, I have learned much about the argument (from critics and supporters alike), and have repeatedly revised it. The version presented here is the official and final version (I hope).”

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  7. Michael Bergmann Avatar
    Michael Bergmann

    As for whether what Pigliucci says is “excellent,” see my comment (Feb 16, 8:43pm) in the comment section on Pigliucci’s piece, for some relevant remarks.

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  8. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    Jonathan, two points:
    First, he does, as you agree, make the mistake I point out in the interview with Gutting that is on the Stone. It’s more than a little surprising that in a brief conversation he would make that mistake. But as you say, put that aside.
    Second, and relevant to the argument you attribute to him (and which I don’t find in the Stone interview): supposing that evolution does not select for true beliefs, it does not follow that each belief in an evolved system “is as likely to be true as not.” After all, whatever evolution does select for could be correlated with truth as a matter of law.
    A related point. It’s not clear that Plantinga is right about evolution not selecting for truth: As I recounted here, Chris Stephens has argued
    that there are conditions under which evolution does select for truth, namely when an organism forms beliefs about circumstances that are sometimes advantageous, sometimes not. Since it’s quite plausible that we do form beliefs about such circumstances, we shouldn’t dismiss the truth-seeking character of our belief producing mechanisms.
    But I wasn’t so much interested in the premise of Plantinga’s argument here.

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  9. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    His argument elsewhere should, I agree, be examined independently. However, it seems to me undeniable that there is something just wrong with what he says in the Gutting interview. It’s not just an incomplete statement of a correct argument.

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  10. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    I agree Plantinga does not think that his argument (whatever it is) supports theism. As I pointed out, his theism is based on his faith in God, which he likens to experience, and not on argument.
    Your argument re the car and Plantinga’s about the tiger (neither mentioned in the Stone interview, btw) would both work if beliefs were generally dedicated to single actions. The point of Chris Stephens’ paper (see my reply to Jonathan Weisberg) is that they generally are not so dedicated. Beliefs are generally applied in more than one context.
    The belief that tigers should be fed will not have harmful consequences if it is allied with the belief that running away is the best way to feed them. But it will have harmful consequences in the presence of any true belief about feeding tigers that involves risking your own safety. Given that according to Plantinga, evolved belief systems are just as likely to produce true as false beliefs, that belief about the desirability of feeding tigers is going to get subjects into trouble sooner or later.

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  11. Grad student Avatar
    Grad student

    I’m not close to the library right now to look at Plantiga’s book, so I have a general question about his argument.
    Why would the atheist focus on individual beliefs in the first place? Shouldn’t she set up the problem as explaining – with the evolution of humans, plus co-evolution with genetic and cultural evolution as the theories in the background – what the accuracy of the beliefs of communities of individuals are? Expected accuracy would presumably vary quite a bit as we consider different cultures and environments/economies. Individual philosophers and other academics are just samples from such collections of communities and so not as important as trying to collect more representative examples from communities.
    Moreover, I’m not sure were this 50% number is coming from – it seams tacked on (why think all independent beliefs have an identical and independent distribution?) and isn’t informed by the science. Indeed if something like Boyd and Richerson style cultural evolution provides decent models for the cultural transmission of ideas, most ideas will not be independent. Then can’t the atheist try and argue – under certain conditions – some measure of expected accuracy relative to some set of communities increases over time? Why isn’t that enough to combat at least the more reasonable forms of skepticism?

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  12. Jonathan Weisberg Avatar
    Jonathan Weisberg

    I agree the “as likely to be true as not” assumption is both unsupported in the interview and dubious.
    On the lack of support: I was assuming what M. Anderson and Michael Bergmann suggest, namely that he’s being elliptical because of the venue, and that he defends these assumptions more thoroughly elsewhere (whether adequately or not I can’t say).
    On the dubiousness: I take it this cuts both ways. One could argue the probabilities are actually worse than 50% in most cases, since my belief that x is red could be mistaken in numerous ways… x could be blue, or green, or not be at all.
    The substance of Plantinga’s argument here, it seems to me, lies in squaring arguments like this one against the kind you indicate, e.g. whether evolution selects for something that correlates with truth. I realize this wasn’t your focus, but I thought it worth clarifying how this part of the dialectic goes first. Otherwise I’m not sure how to assess the argument you want to focus on.

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  13. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    I actually think the view he defends elsewhere is not unrelated to the mistaken one he advances in the interview. He suggests that Darwinism is self-refuting because it argues against truth-production. And the response is, first of all, that even on his account, it isn’t against truth-production being selected, but merely against truth-production being selected for. (Stephens argues against this.) But even on this account, secondly, it isn’t self-refuting. I don’t think this is a good argument: T implies I am unreliable, therefore T implies that I am unreliable in believing T.
    On the many ways of being wrong: who says that given that I perceive x as red, the following are equiprobable: it is green, it is blue, it is yellow, . . .?

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  14. Jonathan Weisberg Avatar
    Jonathan Weisberg

    Who said anything about equiprobability 😉 Seriously though: I don’t mean to defend Plantinga here. I’m sure someone has tried the red/green/etc. line of thought, but my aim isn’t to advance it. It’s only to clarify what the argument is and where the action lies, so that I (and maybe others) can assess the further argument you offer.

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  15. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    I agree that there are other ways of supporting the possibility of evolved truth systems. But why do you think that Boyd and Richerson and cultural evolution is particularly effective in this regard? Memes can be selected independently of truth just as much as genes can, right?

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  16. Grad student Avatar
    Grad student

    You’re right not much is being said here without giving some details, but the important point is this. Understood from the cultural evolutionary framework – even if two beliefs are logically/conceptually independent – the probability that I have both of those beliefs is not simply given by the product of the probabilities that I have one belief, but rather a probability conditional on the particular dynamics of the belief acquisition norms in my community.
    The basic idea is that we can explain (maybe) the formation of clusters of reliable/accurate beliefs in a community via the dynamics (i.e. by chance or some cultural selection process). And if such clusters (e.g. Learning how to make a particular kind of instrument) are benifical (in terms of biological fitness or the cultural equivalent) they’ll stick around (again, depending on the model).

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  17. M. Anderson Avatar
    M. Anderson

    Thanks for the clarification.

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  18. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    There may well be non-independent clusters of beliefs, as well as clusters of beliefs the contents of which are non-independent. Plantinga says we might suppose there are 100 content independent beliefs. The small number more or less grants your point.
    But put that aside. I still don’t understand why community dynamics should be more truth-partial than individual dynamics. (Or even practices: think of the QWERTY keyboard.)

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  19. Grad student Avatar
    Grad student

    Fine, as long as those content independent belief-events needn’t have identical distributions.
    I’m not sure why there is a “should” in the second sentence – I only meant to suggest how the cultural evolution theories can give an how-possible explanation of a high frequency of reliable beliefs in a population. But then again, like my instrument and your QWERTY examples suggest, such a a theory needn’t really distinguish between beliefs/ideas/memes concerned with knowing-that versus knowing-how. That may muddy the waters here re reliability.

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  20. Charles R Avatar
    Charles R

    Mohan, I appreciate the response. I sometimes find my thoughts are too disjointed and undisciplined, and largely wrapped up in my own problem-thinking, so I appreciate someone helping me to clarify them, discipline them, so that my meaning is clear beyond the words I use. I’ll have to check out the paper, and it looks, if I’m not mistaken, that Helen wrote a lot of papers citing the one you cite, so she probably has clear thoughts on this topic.
    I was being simplistic with the analogical reasoning, which is why I later shifted over to talking about theories rather than beliefs, since that’s what I think this is about, those interrelated networks of beliefs linking together beliefs with actions with memories with emotional significance with other non-propositional content, something I’d rather just call ‘theory’ or ‘praxis’ than a long circumlocution that’s already inadequate for what I need it to do. [Sorry, doing that thing again…]
    I mean, I also think it’s not so simple as a belief (a specific belief) leads to an action (a specific action) isomorphically (‘doing’ is just an isomorphism of ‘believing’). Naïve behaviorism of this kind is wrong. So, clearly, it’s in how the beliefs collide that we get variation, even seemingly algorithmic, variation. We’re on the same page, same sentence, I feel, in this sense. Plantinga has a point, but reducing it all the way to these crude analogies misses some of that point. (Someone suggested on that other comment trail on Pigliucci’s blog that Plantinga is being “intellectually dishonest” for giving a simple(r and worse) argument for a simple audience, when he should stick to the valid argument. I find that idea way too principled, since it is right insofar as we should be just and honest but wrong insofar as we should be practical and listening.) We’re trying to recover some of that point.
    To that end, I have a question about this: “The belief that tigers should be fed will not have harmful consequences if it is allied with the belief that running away is the best way to feed them. But it will have harmful consequences in the presence of any true belief about feeding tigers that involves risking your own safety.” My problem is that the background assumption I take to be working in the thinking of Plantinga (and others from the Reformed flavor) on this issue of materialist evolutionary is that this appeal to ‘true belief’ as something distinct from evolutionary process is begging the question. That is, there isn’t such a thing as true when it comes to what evolution selects for, so they suppose, since true is not something itself materially embedded in the process. ‘True’, and thus its binaries of ‘false’ or ‘not true’, is a description of descriptions, and the whole short narrative about there being no such thing as a thinking (in the Cartesian sense, in the Platonic sense, &c) thing but there only being material is Plantinga’s way of showing how he thinks materialism, when practiced consistently and authentically, will look. Appealing to a ‘true belief’ as a way of showing how evolution still selects for truth, or even some mechanism producing true beliefs, assumes something about existence that’s supposedly not to be assumed.
    I feel like I can’t quite say what I want about this, in a way where it’s not just plausible but actually how the Reformed view works, since I’m pulling from how it felt when I was deep in it but also trying to be consistent with and do justice for someone having these thoughts and habits of thinking/doing.
    I guess it’s like how you’re appealing to having the truth as a means of avoiding “harmful consequences.” So, truth is a way to avoid pain or death. A mechanism for having true beliefs results in less and less pain, less and less death. But we’re working backwards, it seems to me, in giving this kind of reasoning because we’re assuming that evolutionary pressures work for the avoidance of pain and death, and we’re assuming that because we still want to hold onto the idea that there has got to be some connection between truth and pleasure, truth and pain. And since evolution, simply put, works by killing off what’s ‘wrong’ and sustaining what’s ‘right’, then we have a built-in metaphysics right there for showing how wrong and right become false and true. True things are things that are stable, do not die, fit many or all the niches, survive against contention and struggle and denial, and then we’re fixed on the idea that if we have more truth, then we’ll live more life. It’s the logic Descartes takes in the Meditations; it’s a metaphor lurking, I think, in a lot of our philosophies and our cultures: the more our notions are false or wrong, the more likely we are in living a lie to be already dead, to inexist.
    I think this is what Reformed folks resonate with about their concerns with something they take to be authentic materialism, whether or not materialists themselves understand themselves this way. Nobody can really take home the lesson of something like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, or any of the Coen brothers’ movies, because meaninglessness as a fundamental way of living undermines all of the other language we have in our heads linking truth and life, and we can’t just be having all that. We need those languages denying the non-sensical; we need Jesus to remind us he said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life,” because as he goes on, “No one can get to the Father…” except through Jesus. I think this is part of that Augustinian tradition about the way sin not only renders us foolish/wrong but also forces us to admit that we’re sinning, getting things wrong. If the materialists were honest, they say, they’d give up talking about truth and instead talk sincerely about thermodynamics—or, the same thing, be as silent and as meaning as the animals and the plants. But the materialists want to somehow account for error by appealing to a presumed possibility for truth, holding open a door to the cellar where somehow our thoughts correctly capture the world, a rather vain idea that I can take something as infinite-to-me as all the wonderful connections and dependencies a thing in the world has and summarize it with a name, a word, a title. Why do they do this, asks a Plantinga-like person? Because they, like all of us, remember some time, very faintly, where we did know what the truth is, and we’re remembering it the way we recall dreams, hobbled and hodgepodge and hillbilly wild.
    So, coming out of my digression, the point is appealing to true beliefs and harmful consequences assumes quite a bit more—as you already know, I’m sure, since we’re shortening things for the format. Those are assumptions Plantinga, I think, is trying to undermine to clear a space for openness to the possibility of very fundamental error about what’s real in this world. The Reformed perspective is like a hermeneutics of total suspicion, even suspicion towards what people call ‘true’ or ‘pain’, even our what our bodies call these things.
    The way out, for the Reformed, is a god’s hand shaping the puzzle pieces into a good story, a story they love to tell. Some people find other ways out, and denying there was ever a problem in the first place is one way. I think there are others.
    Again, sorry for the length or chaos of this. I’m trying to find some way of making sense of interesting things.

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  21. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    As I said to Jonathan Weisberg at comment 8, the fact that natural selection cares about reproduction, not truth, does not imply that it won’t end up selecting truth. In saying this, I am not to a notion of truth as a means of avoiding harm. I am simply pointing out that truth could be correlated with the avoidance of harm—I do not think it is the same thing. In other words, by truth, I mean truth—exactly the same as what Plantinga means.

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  22. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    Michael Bergman @ 7: I had some difficulty finding your comment on Pigliucci’s blog, but now I have.
    Its main burden is that you find Plantinga very intelligent, and that Pigliucci should consider the possibility that he has misinterpreted him. I don’t know how to assess this. First of all, whatever he might do in other works, Plantinga does clearly make the argument in the Gutting interview that materialism-evolution is somehow refuted by the low probability of all of our beliefs being correct. I fully accept that this is not an argument he advances elsewhere, but I find it baffling that he advances it here. It is, I think you will agree, a poor argument. I am sure you don’t feel that I (or you) should be searching for other interpretations of Plantinga’s words.
    Secondly, I haven’t read WTCRL, but I have read earlier works. It may interest you that I wrote to him on more than one occasion to point out the simple fallacy in saying that since there is no selection for truth-production, there is therefore no selection of truth production. I also wrote to him to say that there are good reasons to say that there is selection for truth production. I am a fan of Stephens’ argument, but I am pretty sure I didn’t know it when I tried to engage Plantinga, which may have been as long as 15 years ago, So I didn’t put the strongest possible case, but still I did say something about beliefs needing to stand ready to be deployed in a variety of contexts. He has never responded.
    My point is that I have no reason to believe that Plantinga’s argumentative line on this topic is worth pursuing. I know, I know . . . I should read WTCRL. But really, the Gutting interview (brief as it admittedly is), gives me no reason to think that he has modified his basic line. If he now admits that beliefs stand ready to interact with a variety of different other beliefs and desires, not just one, and if he addresses the claim that there is therefore selective pressure to make belief-production truth-seeking, just let me know. I will then reconsider my apathetic stance.
    To be clear, I intend no disrespect either to you or to Plantinga. But I find it difficult to accept, with respect to this issue, the argument from authority.

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  23. ajkreider Avatar
    ajkreider

    This has likely been defended elsewhere, but why not handle Plantinga’s argument by denying that most of our beliefs are, strictly speaking, true. The seeming ubiquity of vague concepts means that most of our beliefs are only approximately true, or close enough to true for us to get by. So, while we might not have clear application conditions for ‘mountain’, what we have is passable. Our belief-forming mechanisms, then, are imperfect adaptations. And so “near-truthfulness” of the majority of our beliefs actually supports an evolutionary account.
    I suppose whether the above is plausible depends on how one thinks vagueness should be dealt with generally.

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  24. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    I think Platinga’s “overall reliability” in the interview is elliptical for “the likelihood that at least 67 percent of the output from our belief producing mechanism is true”.
    Compare to this from p 41-42 in Plantinga & Tooley 2008 Knowledge of God:
    “And the same sort of thing goes for the reliability of cognitive faculties; they, too, are reliable, and reliable in a certain area, only if they produce a preponderance of true beliefs over false. Going back to those hypothetical creatures, what we’ve seen is that the probability, on the relevant condition, that any given belief of theirs should be true is in the neighborhood of 1/2. This means that the probability that their faculties produce the preponderance of true beliefs over false required by reliability is very small indeed. If I have 1000 independent beliefs, for example, the probability (under these conditions) that three quarters or more of these beliefs are true (certainly a modest enough requirement for reliability) will be less than 10 -58 . And even if I am running a modest epistemic establishment of only 100 beliefs, the probability that ¾ of them are true, given that the probability of any one’s being true is 1/2, is very low, something like .000001. So the chances that this creature’s true beliefs substantially outnumber its false beliefs (even in a particular area) are small. The conclusion to be drawn is that it is very unlikely that the cognitive faculties of those creatures are reliable.”
    and p.42
    “That means that the probability of this belief’s being true would have to be judged to be in the neighborhood of 1/2, not much more likely to be true than to be false. But then it will be exceedingly improbable that the whole set of this believer’s beliefs should display the pre- ponderance of true belief over false required by the reliability of her cognitive faculties. So our case is like that of those hypothetical creatures; in our case, too, the probability that our cognitive faculties are reliable, given naturalism, is low.”

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  25. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    Got it! But that argument still comes down to assigning a probability value of 1/2 to each belief, right?

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  26. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Yes. And I agree with your objections against Plantinga on that point in #8 above.

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  27. rayndeon Avatar
    rayndeon

    Mohan, the 50% probability figure comes from Plantinga charging that materialists have to be semantic epiphenomenalists. So, semantic content is completely disconnected from the rest of the world and consequently, one’s beliefs are just as likely to be true as they are to be false. What I would question is whether a credible theory of content should consider the mind as radically separated from the world and to what extent we should endorse metaphysical realism.

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  28. Mohan Matthen Avatar

    Rayndeon@27: That seems right to me. Strange to think of content as disconnected. I am a little hesitant to respond to your comment about metaphysical realism, though. I assume that Plantinga is a realist. Were you suggesting otherwise? He just thinks that it would be an epistemic crap shoot if Darwinism was the whole story.

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  29. rayndeon Avatar
    rayndeon

    No, I imagine Plantinga is definitely a realist and I don’t mean to suggest he was. Sorry for the ambiguity. I’m just questioning the almost automatic acceptance of metaphysical realism in general. The EAAN seems to be precisely the sort of area where issues regarding metaphysical realism come to bear. Here I’m thinking of concerns from people like Kant, Schopenhauer, Heidegger, Dummett, Putnam, Davidson, so forth. Granted, the mind is not separate from the world. But it seems that should also lead us to question just what sense we conceptualize the “world” as well as separate from the mind. That’s not to say that’s the only thing I find issue with Plantinga’s argument, but the argument just seems to be just another version of the same sort of conceptual issues that – to me – seem to arise regarding metaphysical realism in general.

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  30. rayndeon Avatar
    rayndeon

    Ach, that should be “I don’t mean to suggest he wasn’t.”

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