In Louise Antony’s thought-provoking interview, Gary Gutting asked her about the rationality of her atheism if she were confronted with a theist who is an epistemic peer, someone who is equally intelligent, who knows the arguments for and against theism, etc., this was her response:

"In the real world, there are no epistemic peers — no matter how similar our experiences and our psychological capacities, no two of us are exactly alike, and any difference in either of these respects can be rationally relevant to what we believe.” — She further clarifies “How could two epistemic peers — two equally rational, equally well-informed thinkers — fail to converge on the same opinions? But it is not a problem in the real world. In the real world, there are no epistemic peers — no matter how similar our experiences and our psychological capacities, no two of us are exactly alike, and any difference in either of these respects can be rationally relevant to what we believe…The whole notion of epistemic peers belongs only to the abstract study of knowledge, and has no role to play in real life”. 

I disagree with Antony’s analysis, and think that the criteria for epistemic peerage can be very much loosened. I do agree with her that the notion, as it is outlined in epistemology, in terms of equal access to evidence, cognitive equality etc is quite stringent, and indeed is very rare in real life. For instance, perhaps two graduate students, trained at the same department with the same advisor and the same specialization, and who are equally smart, would count as epistemic peers with respect to that specialization. However, our philosophical concept of what an epistemic peer is should not be drawn up a priori, but should be informed by how the concept is used in everyday practices, like forensic research, two doctors or midwives discussing a patient’s circumstances, or two scholars who disagree about a key issue in their discipline. Indeed, the idea of epistemic peer is thoroughly entrenched in scientific research, for instance in peer review and open peer commentary. If the notion of “epistemic peer” does not reflect this practice, it is not a sound philosophical notion, and would need to be replaced.


In a co-authored paper on the status of Homo floresiensis I argued that the condition for epistemic peerage is easily met for researchers who study these fossils, even though they have different backgrounds (e.g., archaeology, medical anthropology). These scientists who work on Homo floresiensis have the relevant expertise to evaluate the body of evidence, narrowly construed as published reports, the fossil material etc, not broadly construed as to include, e.g., the wisdom imparted by their thesis advisors. A realistic notion of evidential equality need only include evidence in this narrow sense. 

Similarly, for the question of religion there are, I believe, many epistemic peers who meet this condition (philosophers of religion) – they are familiar with the arguments, such as the evidential argument from evil, the cosmological arguments etc.

Focusing on a narrow reading of the evidence, we need not worry about, say, religious (or areligious) experience that is not shareable as an obstacle for epistemic peerage. This modest notion of epistemic peerage is, I believe, in line with how we understand this term when evaluating experts, and if it is correct, there are many epistemic peers for any domain of knowledge. The problem remains that epistemic peerage not only involves evidence, but also cognitive powers (indeed, Gutting’s original formulation of the concept of epistemic peer was couched in terms of cognitive virtues like attentiveness). 

Antony says “we have no idea how to seriously compare the cognitive powers of two people.” Is this needed to determine whether two people are epistemic peers? Rather than an objective assessment of qualities, epistemic peerage in science and other fields has an important social dimension: in how far do people recognize expertise (which involves not only access to evidence but also cognitive virtues) in others? It seems that people are naturally adept at recognizing expertise (note that they are better at doing so for others than for themselves, as people tend to overestimate their own cognitive capacities, something that needs to be born in mind when one is disagreeing with whom one believes to be an epistemic peer). For instance, even children as young as four or five have some emerging knowledge of the cognitive division of labor, knowing they should turn to a medical doctor for health problems, but to a car mechanic for problems with the car engine.

This social dimension provides a way out of the impasse of having to compare people’s cognitive capacities, but it does come with a cost: some groups of people are systematically marginalized, and their expertise might not be fairly evaluated. Social practices often do not reflect expertise accurately, hence not reflect epistemic peers accurately. Whether this is problematic for identifying epistemic peers, I suspect, depends on the issue. For instance, in philosophy of religion there is a tendency to focus on theism as broadly outlined in the Abrahamic traditions, and in fact, there is a strong focus on Christianity. This bias might make valuable and interesting work in, say, Mormon or Wiccan philosophy of religion go unrecognized. Also, researchers who work at non-elite universities may have a lesser say in the debates than, say, prominent senior professors who are recognized as world experts, for reasons that have little to do with their expertise or cognitive virtues. 

Nevertheless, with the proviso that some voices may be less heard, there are many epistemic peers on the question of religion, if one focuses on philosophers of religion. Which still makes Gutting’s question relevant: “But suppose you and your theist friend are equally adept at reasoning, equally informed about relevant evidence, equally honest and fair-minded — suppose, that is, you are what philosophers call epistemic peers: equally reliable as knowers. Then shouldn’t each of you recognize that you’re no more likely to be right than your peer is, and so both retreat to an agnostic position?”

 

 

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41 responses to “Can people be genuine epistemic peers?”

  1. dmf Avatar

    “It seems that people are naturally adept at recognizing expertise” really, how does this play out with phenomena/research like global-warming or evolution?

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  2. j Avatar
    j

    It seems like there are two available notions of epistemic peer being discussed here:
    1) the stringent one that presumably both Antony and Gutting had in mind
    2) the looser one that the author of this post is endorsing
    If we adopt the more stringent notion, then it would seem appropriate to adopt an agnostic position when your epistemic peer disagrees with you — after all, the idea is that you could just as easily have believed what they believe, or vice versa. However, as Antony notes in the interview, it’s going to be practically impossible to ever verify that you are disagreeing with someone who is truly your peer. For all you could find out, they may be epistemically advantaged or disadvantaged relative to you. So it seems like the rational course of action would be to hold to your position.
    If we adopt the less stringent notion, there should be no problem finding epistemic peers, and many of those peers may well disagree with you. This may be the more “ecologically valid” notion, and would be a more interesting topic of philosophical scrutiny if your goal is to proscribe epistemic strategies for use in the real world.
    However, on the less stringent notion, epistemic peers will be different with respect to (actual) cognitive capacity, evidence, and all sorts of other features that may be extremely relevant when it comes to determining the truth of a particular claim or a theory. So, in fact, on this notion of epistemic peer there doesn’t seem to be any rational motivation for deferring to the judgment of your disagreeing epistemic peers, or becoming agnostic about a claim based on your disagreement, unless you can be convinced that you are the one at an epistemic disadvantage. There is lots of room for you both to disagree, and for you to have better evidence, better justification for your beliefs, more true beliefs, etc.

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  3. Rob Gressis Avatar
    Rob Gressis

    I think, in the real world, it is often easier to see who is your epistemic superior or inferior than your peer. I think loads of philosophers, atheists and theists, are my epistemic superiors with regard to the atheism/theism question. Should I therefore convert from theism to agnosticism? And if so, should I give up going to church? I mean these questions seriously; they haunt me on the reg.

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  4. Gene Avatar
    Gene

    It’s “Antony.”

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  5. Daniel Greco Avatar
    Daniel Greco

    I also disagree with Antony here (well, on the narrow question about peerhood and disagreement–not on the broader position she’s articulating in the interview), but I don’t think you even need to get into the question of how to define “epistemic peer” to see what’s wrong with the position she’s defending. While it’s controversial whether there’s any general rule about how one should respond to peer disagreement, the following ought (I think) to be uncontroversial: if there are general rules about how to respond to peer disagreement, they will be special cases of still more general rules about how to respond to disagreement (including from inferiors and superiors). E.g., if the “equal weight view” has any plausibility as a story about how to respond to peer disagreement, then an “extra weight view” will be similarly plausible as a story about how to respond to disagreement from epistemic superiors, and a “less but not zero weight view” will be plausible as a story about how to respond to disagreement from epistemic inferiors. So the fact that we can never know that others are our exact epistemic equals doesn’t mean that we can ignore the fact that they disagree with us in forming our beliefs. Maybe they’re slightly inferior/superior to us, or maybe we can’t precisely compare our epistemic abilities, but (again, assuming that some sort of conciliatory view about disagreement is right, which is highly controversial) this will mean that we should give their views more/less weight, or (perhaps) that it is indeterminate exactly how much weight we should give their views. But it doesn’t mean that we should give their views zero weight.

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  6. Robert Simpson Avatar
    Robert Simpson

    Great post!
    “The whole notion of epistemic peers belongs only to the abstract study of knowledge, and has no role to play in real life.”
    I guess I agree with Antony on this point, but I’d want to register a couple of qualifications.
    First, I think we should all steer clear of the kneejerk suggestion that the abstract study of knowledge has no role to play in real life. When an incisive thinker joins the dots between abstract epistemology and real life in the right way, good things happen (Miranda Fricker’s work is a recent and well-known example of this). Perhaps Antony would agree, and was just being a bit fast and loose on this point… I’m not sure.
    Second, I think some of the disagreement literature gets tripped up because of the ambiguity between the strict and stringent notions of epistemic peerhood (see j’s comment at #2). If we interpret the standard definitions of epistemic peerhood strictly, then Antony is spot on: none of us will ever, ever meet an epistemic peer (it’s logically possible, of course, but it ain’t gonna happen). And that point should in fact be emphasised more than it usually is, because it readies us for the suggestion that if (per impossible) we ever did meet an epistemic peer, the implications of this encounter with respect to our epistemic situation and conduct might be very significant, and/or very discombobulating. (Of course, some might worry that the inquiry then just descends into excessively abstract navel-gazing. To which I’d want to reply with the same point I made above about connecting abstract epistemology to the real world.)

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  7. Anonymous philosopher Avatar
    Anonymous philosopher

    “Oh, in the real world there are no…”
    How many times have I heard my freshman introductory philosophy students wail this in order to avoid engaging with an argument or a counterexample?

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  8. Kathryn Avatar
    Kathryn

    “Focusing on a narrow reading of the evidence, we need not worry about, say, religious (or areligious) experience that is not shareable as an obstacle for epistemic peerage. This modest notion of epistemic peerage is, I believe, in line with how we understand this term when evaluating experts, and if it is correct, there are many epistemic peers for any domain of knowledge.”
    I think, though, that at least with respect to the existence of a God fitting traditional Judeo-Christian conceptions, it’s a bit hard to see why we shouldn’t worry about religious and areligious experience that cannot be shared. We might be epistemic peers with respect to the arguments as you outline, but if it’s the case that God is purported to be a personal and relational being in some way, then it looks like those experiences are of great significance in a way that maybe experiences regarding physics or archaeology that cannot be shared are not. Say, for example, that someone has had some really painful or traumatic personal experiences, has sincerely tried to seek relationship with God, and finding said relationship would (presumably) have been of great comfort to them, and yet they never found it. It seems like this would be a really important kind of evidence that would at least be on a par with evidence from argument. The relational aspect of traditional Western conceptions of God seems to make this question of epistemic peerhood rather different from others, I think.

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  9. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Interestingly, this ability is highly sensitive to perceived consensus. I am inclined to think that the controversies surrounding these topics (in the US and some other countries) is not representative of how people regard scientists and other experts (e.g., engineers, mathematicians, medical doctors). These topics are highly politically laden, and so the phenomenon of cultural cognition (see the work by Kahan) comes into play.
    The mechanism at work here is that while people aren’t good at evaluating expertise per se, but at seeing how experts are regarded in the community. They are sensitive to social cues of perceived expertise, the extent to which members of their community regard the experts as experts. So, young children might not know how medical doctors or car mechanics have the expertise they have, but they do know their parents turn to these experts when having car trouble or medical issues (see the work by Kathleen Corriveau and Paul Harris). In the light of this, the politically-motivated doubt of climate change and evolution is highly pernicious, because it is, alas, very effective (note that in countries like the UK even religious believers are perfectly fine with e.g., evolutionary theory, because they trust the experts).

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  10. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Thanks for spotting the mistake. It’s now corrected.

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  11. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Hi Kathryn, these are excellent points. I am certainly open to the evidential value of religious experience – such experiences do play an important role in why some people believe, and I also think (following Alston) that one can be justified in believing without any further arguments or evidence on the basis of such experiences. But I am not sure whether they are symmetry breakers in epistemic peer debates. Here are my reasons:
    – When one reads spiritual autobiographies, e.g., by Plantinga (as I referred to in an earlier post), the authors frequently talk about their religious experiences as very significant and meaningful. Yet these same authors seldom use these religious experiences in debates (such as “Sure, you say x, but my religious experience gives me a justified non-inferential belief that y”.) While such authors may argue that religious experiences, or a sense that God exists are good enough grounds for religious belief, they do not argue on the basis of personal experience. There may of course be a relationship between personal experience and more formalized arguments from religious experience (which examine the extent to which religious experiences are valid grounds for theism)
    – Religious experiences are seldom totally unambiguous, and their memory and vivacity fades quickly, so that even those who experienced them later are not sure of their validity. This is a common theme, again, in writings of authors who had such experiences. Luhrmann’s anthropological research also shows that experientially-oriented Christians have difficulties deciding if an experience is from God or for some other reason (e.g., other supernatural beings, purely naturalistic reasons).
    – Invoking religious experience seems to me somewhat analogous to appeals to insight (e.g., by mathematicians or philosophers) that are non-shareable, and here the suspicion is that by doing so one is overestimating one’s own capacities and underestimating weaknesses in one’s own reasoning. There is in fact recent research showing that people who value their own introspection more are more oblivious to their own biases (see here: http://cbdr.cmu.edu/seminar/pronin.pdf). I am not saying religious experience is exactly introspection, and if God exists, it is not reducible to it. But Luhrmann’s research indicates that a lot of introspection is involved as people learn to “discern God’s voice”, so the reliance on experiences that require introspection – like religious experience – may come at the high cost of a lesser capacity to see holes in one’s reasoning (e.g., in arguments for God’s existence).
    For these reasons, I think religious experience, although it might be evidentially significant for the individual believer, should not play a role in determining who our epistemic peers are.

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  12. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Thanks – this is a very helpful point. I think it often is implicitly assumed that no weight should be attached at all to the opinions of people whom we presume our epistemic inferiors. I still think it would be useful to have a more ecologically valid definition of epistemic peers. The view that opinions of others carry some evidential value, regardless of our inability to calibrate exactly how their knowledge differs from ours, goes toward answering J’s point (comment #2). While there is more room for disagreement, the problem of dissent by epistemic peers (or slight inferiors, superiors etc) remains an issue that does challenge a wide variety of beliefs we have.

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  13. Melanie Schulz Avatar
    Melanie Schulz

    I would tend to agree. People may be good at recognising authority (and subsequently flaunting it) but to say that humans have an innate ‘sensor’ for recognising an expert when they see one seems flawed. Experts tend to have to convince us that they are in fact experts before we accept that. That might include demonstrating knowledge through data. It is for that reason, that I find it so interesting that people, but also companies, seem to fail to embrace the value Big Data may bring, despite its potential as promoting ultimate expertise.

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  14. GiT Avatar
    GiT

    Well I don’t know about the arguments, but I think I’ll start telling people that I’m epistemically peerless in everything regardless.

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  15. dmf Avatar

    seems highly suspect to me, asking kids about professions is like asking them what noises animals make, as for professionals and their degree of understanding/agreement about who is an expert and what constitutes expertise show me a field (like say academic philo) where these aren’t highly contested issues even among (maybe especially among) people who work closely together, that doesn’t even begin to get into issues of lay folks and experts which despite claims to the contrary is very charged and biased from fields like education and healthcare to engineering and research-sciences, as to why large populations of people adopt attitudes towards different topics (evolution, inoculations,etc) I don’t see how one makes the leap to make such assertions about their motives/psychology, I’m guessing even in the UK for instance people say they believe in evolution/science are buying millions of dollars worth of worthless dietary supplements and such.

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  16. Christy Mag Uidhir Avatar

    Helen,
    That there may well be a coherent and productive real world notion of epistemic peerage for some domain of enquiry strikes me as entirely separate from whether that within that domain disagreement between epistemic peers itself justifies withholding (especially when operative relations such as equally smart, equally rational, and equally well-informed remain so laughably beyond the pale of contemporary cognitive science).

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  17. Jay C Avatar
    Jay C

    So I’ve always understood the equal part of epistemic peer relation to mean something like the idea that I have no reason to believe that my colleague is more or less rational, well-informed, etc than I am regarding some question Q. This is not to say that we are in exactly symmetrical relationship on these factors–which is what I gather is what cog sci would understanably find implausible–but that we don’t have a reason to think any asymmetry is present on the given question.

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  18. r Avatar
    r

    Antony may be right that we are never encountered with epistemic peers in the sense she discusses. But that is just a reason why, looking at this literature, I have always thought that was a bad way to define epistemic peers. And there are other available definitions that do not have that result–I am thinking specifically of Elga (and later White) defining epistemic peers in terms of their equal expected reliability, where that expectation is restricted to prior or independent features of the disagreement. That definition also has the advantage, as per Greco above, of generalizing very obviously to slight superior/slight inferior cases.

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  19. Helen De Cruz Avatar
    Helen De Cruz

    Dear Melanie & DMF: Thanks, these are very relevant points. I am currently reading Trust and Skepticism, a forthcoming volume that unites a lot of the empirical research on how children evaluate the competence of a testifier. It does indicate that children have several mechanisms to gauge testimony and expertise, e.g., they trust majority opinion over minority opinion, people who were reliable and accurate informants in the past over those who were unreliable, people who are socially regarded as experts (e.g., doctors and car mechanics). But at the same time, they are vulnerable to being deceived, e.g., they are willing to override their own empirical observations in favor of an adult’s testimony.
    The same is true for adults. It remains a topic of debate to what extent we are competent in gauging expertise, what cues we use for that, and to what extent we are vulnerable to deception. I would say we are better than, say, baseline, at this, and that some of the cues we use make ecological sense. But that doesn’t mean it’s very good, and indeed compatible with people believing bogus things (vaccine scares, alas, in the UK still an issue, etc). Nevertheless, although these issues are highly charged and emotional, I think they are atypical and do not present the majority of beliefs that are formed by using cues of expertise (e.g., beliefs about what the weather will be like based on weather forecasts).

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  20. dmf Avatar

    HDC, I do a lot of work with a variety of institutions (public&private) on these very kinds of issues (often relating to “quality control”, training/assessment, and or connecting expert services/providers with lay consumers/users like with healthcare delivery, and with “peer” issues like academic tenure review) as well as having been a shrink for many years (including some couples/family work way back when) and I have seen over and over again how little agreement there is among people who work or live together over a wide variety of issues (great and small) and how little is needed under generally stable conditions for some relative level of function to continue, and how little ‘logical’ consistency there is within the lives/actions of individuals, as for how we attend to successes, and more importantly failures, of experts like weather-forecasters or public health officials I think the evidence (as limited as in the field research might be so far) is pretty damning, no?

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  21. Mark Lance Avatar
    Mark Lance

    This will be hard to write without offending anyone, but it is important to note that epistemic peerage is not an all or nothing affair. I mean suppose I’m arguing with someone about whether they have a drinking problem. The fact that they generally are just as good as me at assessing evidence might be pretty irrelevant since they are in the grip of denial. So on this topic, they aren’t a peer. Similarly for things about one’s own standing in a field, one’s attractiveness to potential sexual partners, or one’s chances of surviving a fatal illness.
    Well, I have to say that I think this last is directly relevant. Christian religion is the ultimate version of believing that we are going to survive the fatal illness of aging. And it seems to me that fear of death frequently leads people to self-deception – to taking to be reasonable arguments and evidence that they would not take to be reasonable if no similar interests were at stake. This sort of self-deception is one mechanism that can interfere with general epistemic competence, but is hardly the only such. But the general point is that I can grant that Plantinga. say, is generally my epistemic peer, or indeed superior, when it comes to evaluating arguments, and yet think that his judgment of the fine tuning argument has very little weight in the face of what strike me as fairly obvious weaknesses in that argument.

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  22. Helen Avatar
    Helen

    Hi Mark: while epistemic peers used to be defined rather holistically (as Gutting originally did in terms of cognitive virtues like attentiveness), current notions of epistemic peerage are usually defined in terms of a given domain, something like, for domain D, A and B are epistemic peers if A and B have cognitive equality (if they’re roughly speaking equally smart, and have cognitive skills relevant to D, for instance, if they’re equally competent at solving second-degree equations, and the question they’re disagreeing about is the solution to a second-degree equation), and if A and B have evidential equality with respect to D, i.e., if they have access to the same evidence.
    If I understand it right, you would claim that someone like Plantinga is not your epistemic peer about religion because his judgment is so clouded (e.g., by wishful thinking, self-deception) that he cannot judge the arguments well, and would not be able to see weaknesses that are blatantly obvious to someone who doesn’t believe.
    This question is an empirical one, and falls in the domain of terror management theory (TMT). To what extent are people’s religious beliefs motivated by fear of death? In support of TMT there is the observation that religious people have less existential fear, and that priming people with their own mortality does seem to increase the attractiveness of religious views (e.g., people’s endorsement of intelligent design goes up if they’re first asked to reflect on their death).
    However, it remains unclear to what extent TMT plays a role in maintaining or generating religious belief (this is hard to test in any controlled way), and to my knowledge, there is no research on the extent to which TMT would make it hard for people to evaluate particular religious arguments. In fact, judging by the empirical data, TMT would cloud everyone’s judgment (also those of atheists) in assessing religious arguments. Indirect support for this claim comes from this article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21995319) which shows that “atheists [are] buffered from mortality concerns if their atheistic worldview – no life after death – was challenged, but not if it was supported.” – in other words, the atheists – like theists and agnostics – found some comfort in their death anxiety from arguments and observations that challenged their atheism.
    Finally, and this is just a personal note, the spectacular optimism of a religion like Christianity (the same is true for many other religions) that death and decay are not the end is for me a reason to remain suspicious of realist versions of theism. I remember seeing this picture in the Tate Britain Gallery (http://gilbertgarage.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/sir-stanley-spencer-cookham.jpg) and thinking, “How can anyone believe that we’re going to rise literally from the dead, body and all”. It somehow feels like it’s too good to be true. Even if arguments supporting (some thin, philosophical) theism are sound, that does not mean the final judgment and the general resurrection are going to happen.

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  23. Mark Lance Avatar
    Mark Lance

    Helen:
    Thanks for this. I wouldn’t limit the form of argument to terror of death. That’s just one clouding factor. There are all sorts of positive effects of being in a religious community that might, for those who think that belief in some specific descriptive non-natural claim is pre-requisite for that, cloud judgment. We are all subject to lots of wishful-thinking biases. Anyway, I didn’t mean to suggest that no one in the literature talks about this sort of thing – I don’t know the literature, but assumed they did since the general points are rather obvious – but just that the discussion between Gary and Louise seems to proceed in abstraction from them.

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  24. Terence Blake Avatar

    I see no reason to think that belief in the existence of God is necessarlily an epistemic question. It may well be seen by many as a matter of adopting or maintaining a form of life. Another philosophical formalisation of this idea is the notion of modes of existence. Knowledge, evidentiality, and epistemicity are appropriate for one mode of existence (the referential), but God may be seen as belonging to another where evidence is not the criterion, but something like call and response, or conversion. One just has to think of the early Wittgenstein here.
    Is epistemic parity compatible with pluralism? If so, then one must drop the presumption of convergence, that epistemic peers will converge on the same conclusion. This may be true on intra-paradigmatic issues of a low-level of abstraction, e.g. forensic disputes. But surely the existence of God is not like the existence of some extra piece of ontological furniture, but rather a paradigm-defining belief. Were any of Pasteur’s or Einstein’s opponents their epistemic peers? To say obviously no is to project a confirmed result back onto a historical period where controversy was rational. Connvergence may come late, after a long period of controversy, if at all, and be upset again. Rather than epistemic parity leading to convergence, it seems more arguable that convergence comes first, and that inculcation into the same or a similar paradigm is a prerequisite for being able to assign equal status to epistemic subjects within a specialised domain.

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  25. dmf Avatar

    hey Mark, I’ve come to doubt the kind of denial/repression that you are describing there but if we widen the point to take into account the nascent research into cog-biases than I would largely agree. Across the board of inquiry/disciplines I don’t think we really have begun to seriously address the dawning implications of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

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  26. Mark Lance Avatar
    Mark Lance

    Do you mean you doubt that denial/repression operates in the case of religious belief or that it ever does?
    I guess in general, I just find this move to the second order – epistemic peers disagree so you should withhold belief on the topic – to be a very weak form of argument. It is, as you say, always going to rely on an empirical claim about the lack of relevant differences in cognitive bias, and there are few cases in which we know such a thing.
    I agree with Terence that religiosity may not be an epistemic issue. That’s why I limited my point to those who do think a descriptive claim is necessary for religiosity. I think that is what Louise is interested in – belief in a supernatural being. If one goes “Wittgensteinian” then the issue of epistemic peers is a complete red herring.

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  27. David Wallace Avatar
    David Wallace

    Einstein didn’t really have “opponents” in the sense relevant here, at least for those bits of his work currently accepted. The theory of relativity, as far as I understand, was really pretty quickly accepted by the physics community. Insofar as there was continuing doubt, it concerned the experimental evidence, not anything resolvable a priori.

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  28. dmf Avatar

    in general the classic idea that some-thing/event registers (maybe at some “depth” level) and then is denied/repressed seems increasingly unlikely, more likely that we are pre-judiced/biased such that our attentions/experiences are as shaped/selective/blinkered as our senses like vision. I think we are much more skewed (and more kluged) in our response-abilities than is generally recognized (which of course one would expect given our cog-biases.

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  29. Terence Blake Avatar

    Einstein had opponents, even if convergence occurred rather quickly. Dingler is a case in point. He received the Nobel prize in 1921 for his study of the photoelectric effect and not for relativity, which was still considered controversial. Einstein also contributed to quantum theory and had lots of opponents there, and convergence of epistemic peers was a long time in coming, and is still not fully achieved. Mach rejected relativity as “dogmatic”.

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  30. Mark Lance Avatar
    Mark Lance

    I wasnt meaning to propose any specific mechanism like registering/repressing, just the general phenomenon that lots of non-epistemic attractions can interfere with our appreciation of truths.

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  31. Terence Blake Avatar

    I refuse to accept a “scare list” of cognitive biases as necessarily leading to error. Of course they do, most of the time. But the history of science and technology and of geographical discovery is replete with bias leading to discovery. Just as peerage is not synonymous with agreement, bias is not synonymous with error. Galileo was “biased” in favour of heliocentrism, before obtaining his observational results, which in turn he was biased in favour of accepting, despite his lack of a developped theory of optics. No bias, no diversity, and no progress. Epistemic parity in the history of science is shown after paradigm changes to have been based on epistemic peers agreeing on what turns out to have been a shared bias.

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  32. dmf Avatar

    yes good, my point was that this is always-already happening (to various effects) and not limited to special cases.

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  33. dmf Avatar

    not sure why you might be scared by a list of research findings (not asking), just pointing out that our accounts/justifications of so called standards (and agreements/co-operations) aren’t so cohesive/coordinated as is often presumed in related academic research.

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  34. Terence Blake Avatar

    This scare-list, which I make clear doesn’t scare me, is what Bakker repeatedly cites to substantiate his dogmatic simplification of cognitive science under the “scary” slogan that we are “theoretically incompetent”. These cognitive biases are well-known, for example in science studies, without leading to such self-refuting pessimistic conclusions. The non-cohesive nature of research is precisely what I am pointing out here in my critique of the assumption of convergence, which is responsible for the unthinking equation of bias and error. If research is “non-convergent” (i.e. not necessarily convergent) then epistemic peerage is a local, provisional, negotiated status, and not some de-contextualised state.

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  35. dmf Avatar

    the work of Bakker (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/)while interesting wasn’t the topic of discussion here, cog-biases are not generally a topic of engagement/reflection in the social-sciences here in the US and certainly not in most of academic philosophy.
    As for “epistemic peerage is a local, provisional, negotiated status” if one adds never settled/consistent than that was my point.

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  36. Terence Blake Avatar

    A huge amount of philosophy, of all sorts, involves a close consideration of slips, fallacies, infelicities, mistakes in logical grammar, confusions and conflations, whether that goes under the name of cognitive biases or not. My argument is that this is a little one-sided if it does not take into account the occasional heuristic fecundity of such transgressions. Many discussions do not make the point of the positive contribution of such biases, but remain in the negative schema of “bias=bad”, which for me is only a rule of thumb, and not a general principle. I only mention Bakker as a paradigm case of illicit generalisation of this negative schema. I also mention “science studies” because I feel it is a far wider research-programme that takes into account cognitive biases, the struggle against their pernicious consequences, their occasional heuristic value as augmenting our theoretical competence and not just undermining it. This is the whole point of Latour’s idea of knowledge as equipped and rectified, and of John Law’s critique of the “assumption of coherence”, as he calls it. I think the cognitivist study of religion needs to beware of reductionist interpretative strategies, and that a form of modal pluralism is far more promising than scientistic monism. So my argument is straightforwardly pluralist: human existence is not limited to the epistemic, religion is not necessarily an epistemic affair (and certainly not limited to the belief or not in the existence of God, inside the epistemic domain science is not an exclusively convergent discipline, nor does it have the monopoly of the study of the epistemic contributions of subjectivity (that it tends to denigrate as bias and prejudice, negative phenomena to be overcome if epistemic progress is to be achieved).

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  37. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Hi Terence: Thanks for the discussion so far – I have of late grown suspicious of the emphasis people place on cognitive biases. They are too often wielded to critique opponents (I’ve seen a lot of the discussions against philosophy of religion go something along the lines of that they are so biased they cannot evaluate arguments properly, see e.g., Mark’s response).
    I do tend to see biases mainly as negative, although of course they have ecological reasons. For instance, confirmation bias is helpful, as it guards us against being pushed over by every new piece of evidence we get (that wouldn’t be very useful). But the downside is that our body of evidence that we’ve acquired can be very much influenced by our initial beliefs, however acquired.
    As there is ample evidence that such biases also operate in scientific practice, it’s useful to look at the broader context, the corrective mechanisms that are built-in to help us mitigate them. Take peer commentary, formal (as in peer review) and less formal (comments by a friend, comments on a workshop etc). This is an excellent guard against being oblivious to weaknesses in one’s own arguments. In line with extended mind and scaffolded cognition approaches, such things may help us overcome a lot of cognitive biases even if we remain susceptible to them, individually. This is why I believe diversity in philosophy of religion is very important – only by having a group of diverse people who respect each other as epistemic peers (in the sense I outlined above) can we properly assess arguments put forward in philosophy of religion.
    I also agree that theism is more than just an epistemic question, which is why I think one can be justified in being a theist even in the absence of arguments, and even if there isn’t any such thing as a sensus divinitatis (which is usually invoked for non-evidential or non-foundationalist views on theism). If one has a way of life that makes coherent sense under theism, that seems to me good enough to hold the position.

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  38. Terence Blake Avatar

    I think that perhaps one should distinguish epistemic peers and cognitive peers. In a scientific domain, a cognitive peer is another scientist who is equally expert in the same domain. An epistemic peer would be someone equally capable of evaluating a theoretical claim without necessarily being an expert in that particular domain. Your example of the scientists who work on Homo floresiensis seems to me to be of this type, as each may have a different background, and so not be cognitive peers, but be equally capable of evaluating certain transdisciplinary projects, and thus epistemic peers.
    My worry about the way that the notion of cognitive bias is sometimes bandied about is that it is in danger of being a way of accomodating subjectivity inside a scientistic framework as mere noise, bias, and error. Bias is harmful in science, as in life. But sometimes bias is essential as without it certain experiments would never have been performed. I am thinking of Eddington’s famous observation during an eclipse to confirm Einstein’s General Relativity. Eddington was “biased” in favour of the theory before testing it, and on certain accounts even slightly fudged the results of the observation. Feyerabend proposes that in such cases we can drop vthe negative epithet of “bias”, and rationally reconstruct what is happening as “tenacity”, which he holds is a very useful epistemic strategy, precisely for the reasons you invoke in the consideration of “confirmation bias”. Obviously, people can be in denial, or just pig-headed, and this is bad. However, every theory has disconfirming instances, and we often simply don’t have the time or the means to explain them away. Paying attention only to confirming instances may look bad in an artificially contrived laboratory situation, but may inspire admiration when found in a “visionary” mind tenaciously pursuing its intuitions against prevailing opposition such as Galileo’s or Einstein’s. I apologise for using only “epistemic” examples to hammer the point home, but one could also cite the early Christians, or explorers like Columbus. The whole Christian notion of “felix culpa” is for me a critique of taking findings such as those about cognitive bias too absolutely.

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  39. Eli Avatar

    Wait, wait – let me get this straight. You think that many religious people rely on a style of thinking that reduces their “capacity to see holes in [their] reasoning,” but you think that DOESN’T matter for epistemic peerage? Sorry, but isn’t that literally the whole point of this idea? If I’m very good at seeing holes in my own reasoning and you’re not very good at seeing holes in your reasoning, how could we POSSIBLY be epistemic peers?

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  40. Helen De Cruz Avatar
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    Well, Eli, I think that atheists too have cognitive bias. If only theists had “a style of thinking that reduces their capacity to see holes in their reasoning” (as you put it), that would surely be a symmetry breaker. I agree with Quentin Smith (in his metaphilosophy of naturalism in Philo 2000), that most atheist philosophers do not fully appreciate the complexities of recent philosophy of religion, and aren’t aware of the strength of theistic arguments, precisely because of an anti-theistic bias (they think before even considering these arguments in detail that they must be bogus, because theism is false).

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  41. Eli Avatar

    “Well, Eli, I think that atheists too have cognitive bias.”
    Oh, sure – my position is not that atheists (or any other group of people) are unbiased. The idea of a cognitively unbiased human is almost certainly a fantasy. But that’s not the point, right? The point is to think about bias in the context of epistemic peerage – and, in particular, in the context of what you call being “cognitive equals.” Surely Person A and Person B can both be biased without being EQUALLY biased (and, therefore, without being epistemic peers). Perhaps they’re biased to different degrees. Perhaps the pattern of Person A’s biases is different than the pattern of person B’s biases. That sort of thing.
    Indeed, this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about:
    “I agree with Quentin Smith (in his metaphilosophy of naturalism in Philo 2000), that most atheist philosophers do not fully appreciate the complexities of recent philosophy of religion, and aren’t aware of the strength of theistic arguments, precisely because of an anti-theistic bias (they think before even considering these arguments in detail that they must be bogus, because theism is false).”
    You must admit that you are describing a cognitive inequality here. Assuming for the sake of argument that you’re right about the failings of atheists, it would be absurd to impute those same failings to theists. That’s a significant inequality, is it not?
    Moreover, now we have a (putative) case in which both sides are biased but not biased equally: one side is (allegedly) worse at noticing its own flaws and the other side is (allegedly) worse at taking the first side seriously. So, again: how could these two sides POSSIBLY be epistemic peers in any important sense? Their cognitive profiles are just too different to allow for that.
    (Also, for the record: if theism is false, then theist arguments ARE bogus. You can’t produce a sound argument for a falsehood. Just sayin’.)

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