Two new books argue that pre-agricultural societies were far more Hobbesian than Rousseauean.

Read the Spectator review of Ian Morris’ War: What is it Good For? The Role of Conflict in Civilisation, from Primates to Robots here, which includes this:

If sometime around 7a.m. on 1 July 1916, as you waited to go over the top somewhere along the Somme, you had been tapped on the shoulder and told that you’d never had it so good, you might well have been mildly surprised at the news, but you would have been wrong to be. It would seem from the growing evidence of graves that Stone Age man had something like a 10–20 per cent chance of meeting a violent death, and if you factor in the anthropological evidence of surviving 20th-century Stone Age societies, then, as Morris puts it, Stone Age life was ‘10–20 times as violent as the tumultuous world of medieval  Europe and 300–600 times as bad as mid-20th-century Europe.’

If I understand right, Morris is building off of Stephen Pinker's earlier research. Napolean Chagnon has just released his book about the Yanomamo that provides some more contemporary evidence.


Noble Savages: My Life Among Two Dangerous Tribes—The Yanomamo and the Anthropologists is reviewed by City Journal here. Key bit against academic neo-Rousseaueans:

From his initial contacts with the Yanomamo, he’d noticed how prevalent violence was in their culture. He determined that as many as 30 percent of all Yanomamo men died in violent confrontations, often over women. Abductions and raids were common, and Chagnon estimated that as many as 20 percent of women in some villages had been captured in attacks. Nothing in his academic background prepared him for this, but Chagnon came to understand the importance of large extended families to the Yanomamo, and thus the connection between reproduction and political power. As Chagnon notes, biologists found his observations unsurprising and consistent with much they already knew; but to anthropologists, the notion that primitive societies fought extensively, and did so over women for the sake of reproductive rights, made Chagnon a heretic.

Undaunted, Chagnon plunged even further into the thicket of political incorrectness. In a 1988 Science article, he estimated that 45 percent of living Yanomamo adult males had participated in the killing of at least one person. He then compared the reproductive success of these Yanomamo men to others who had never killed. The unokais—those who had participated in killings—produced three times as many children, on average, as the others. Chagnon suggested that this was because unokais,who earned a certain prestige in their society, were more successful at acquiring wives in the polygamous Yanomamo culture. “Had I been discussing wild boars, yaks, ground squirrels, armadillos or bats, nobody . . . would have been surprised by my findings,” he writes. “But I was discussing Homo sapiens—who, according to many cultural anthropologists, stands apart from the laws of nature.”

I don't think this is that big a deal with respect to social contract theorists in philosophy. As far as I understand the debates, people have been hypothetical contractarians* ever since Kant anyhow.

But some other stuff might follow. For example, Hegel probably did have Kant's ticket with respect to the categorical imperative. And maybe we should all be a little less utopian in our thinking.

[Notes:

*Has anyone ever attempted something analogous with respect to empirically bogus views of language acquisition? For example, Quine's stage 5 (if I remember right, where young children learn the existential quantifier) might be analogous to the signing of the social contract that never actually happens either. Maybe universal grammarians could try something similar as well to justify the approach to syntax in light of acquisition data not really working out. Just a thought.]

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8 responses to “A good year for the Hobbesians among us”

  1. Trevor Avatar

    Chagnon’s evidence is not so good. See the second part of this blog entry: http://anthropomics.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-times-it-is-outragin.html

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  2. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    Ooh, that’s helpful. The key claim seems to be the following:

    In the journal American Ethologist in 1989, Brian Ferguson pointed out that Chagnon’s data are incomplete, because he did not present data on the reproduction of killers who had themselves been killed.

    I’m not an expert about this stuff, but that seems pretty damning.

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  3. bzfgt Avatar
    bzfgt

    It seems a bad sign he’s basing his findings on Pinker, whom as far as I have been able to glean without actually reading the book is pretty tendentious and unreliable.

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  4. Ötzi Avatar
    Ötzi

    Firstly it’s not obvious to either of us, not having read Morris, how much of his work relies on results obtained by Pinker. All we know is that Morris’s book endorses the thesis argued for by Pinker. So it’s not clear that there’s any “sign” at all, let alone a bad one.
    Secondly, merely asserting that Pinker is tendentious and unreliable doesn’t really help anyone else to accept the claim. That’s a point that I’m a little embarrassed to have to explain in the comments of a philosophy blog. I read Pinker’s book, found myself surprised by many of its conclusions, and then tried to do the intellectually responsible thing by reading critical reviews and seeing if anyone had managed to show a serious error. Practically all of the negative reviews, however, amounted to little more than “how dare Pinker undermine our Rousseauvian worldviews by showing that violence has declined over history.” The quality of the reviews in fact raised my credence that Pinker is largely correct.
    Thirdly, the fact that violence has declined is, well, a fact. It is supported by a wide variety of evidence from archeaology, anthropology, evolutionary biology, history, literature, and law. It is generally robust to measurement choices, and most robust for the type of violence that is most reliably measured: murder.

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  5. Neil Johnson Avatar

    bzfgt I agreed with you .

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  6. bzfgt Avatar
    bzfgt

    I was responding to this:
    If I understand right, Morris is building off of Stephen Pinker’s earlier research.
    My comment was “it SEEMS a bad sign.” In wasn’t trying to refute the guy’s book, just commenting on a statement in the original post, which I have actually read. I read a couple of critical reviews of Pinker that dealt with facts at the time, but that was a while ago now. I will look for them. I wasn’t trying to get anyone to “accept the claim” that Pinker is tendentious and unreliable on the basis of my comment, that would be absurd and I’d question anyone’s critical faculties who did so. I was merely reporting–while being completely open and transparent about the limitations of my knowledge or authority on the subject–what I was “able to glean” without having read the book, i.e. without having sufficient knowledge or authority to ask anyone to accept it as a conclusion on the basis of my post. I too a little embarrassed that you “had to explain” anything to me, particularly since I do not find myself edified by the explanation.

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