On the basis of this year’s partial hiring data, Marcus Arvan notes that the majority of tenure track hires (a whopping 88%) are from people of Leiter-ranked programs. Only 12% of hires are from people of unranked programs. Also, 37% of all tenure track hires come from just 5 schools, the Leiter top 5 list – this is amazing if one ponders it, and one may wonder at the direction philosophy is going to, if most of its future tenured workforce comes from just a few select programs.

This has caused a lot of debate: why would people go to grad school in unranked programs at all? Why attend an unranked program if you can’t get into a highly ranked one? But what is often overlooked are the many factors, such as class and ethnic background, may contribute to someone not getting (or, as I will examine in more detail below), even applying to get into top programs. In fact, going for pedigree may be a particularly effective way to screen out people who come from poorer backgrounds and of different ethnicities.


In Britain, black academics are underrepresented. Of the UK’s 18,510 university professors, only 85 are of black origin (Black African/Black Caribbean/Black ‘other’). There are many reasons, one of them being that black applicants are less likely to get hired for academic positions than their white peers.

For instance, at Oxford, 13% of applicants for research/academic positions were black or other ethnic minorities. [update: the way I originally phrased this was less than clear] Of the shortlisted candidates, only 6% were of ethnic minorities, and of those appointed, only  3%. By contrast, 37% of applicants for these positions were white (note the remainder, 51% declined to state their ethnicity). The percentage of  white shortlisted candidates is 46%, and 44% of appointments were white. So black and other ethnic minorities are substantially less likely to get to the shortlisting stage, and their odds of getting the job (compared to whites) drop even further when they are at the interview stage.

 Gulzaar Barn writes

Perhaps another factor explaining the lack of black academics is the lack of black students at elite universities. In an increasingly competitive academic job market, one’s pedigree, in the form of university background, is highly important, with qualifications from elite universities serving as Pavlovian indicators of academic capability. And, it seems, black British young people are far less likely to attend the UK’s most selective universities, a factor which may make it harder to get academic jobs. The Independent Commission on Social Mobility pointed out that “there are more young men from black backgrounds in prison in the UK than there are UK-domiciled undergraduate black male students attending Russell Group institutions [research intensive top universities].” Despite black Britons (of Caribbean heritage) making up 1.5% of all domestic students attending UK universities in 2012-13, just 0.5% of domestic students at Russell Group universities are from black Caribbean backgrounds. Analogously, Black African students make up 4.4% of total domestic students, but comprise just 2.1% of students attending Russell Group universities.

The reasons for this are complex, but even taking into account grades, Russell Group applicants from Black and Asian ethnic backgrounds were less likely to get admitted in Russell Group universities. With an unprestigious undergraduate degree, it is hard to get into a prestigious graduate program, which may explain why ethnic minorities aren’t flocking to Oxford, Cambridge and their Ivy League equivalents in America.

So why would people choose to attend unprestigious schools? I can speculate, speaking from personal experience (the first in my family ever to attend university, and coming from a mixed-ethnicity background), getting into a prestigious program is not top of one’s list. One is already excited to get an undergraduate degree at any university (in my case in my home town, commutable from home). Just graduating at all was already a huge accomplishment. The homes of people outside of the upper and middle class are not welcoming or encouraging to academic success. Indeed, parents (and councellors at high school) advocate different things, such as finding a job quickly, or getting married. 

I recently talked to a professor (not in philosophy) who was just promoted to the associate level. She works in a state school in a state in middle America. She comes from a working-class family where the income was 30,000/year, which supported 4 children. Her parents didn’t finish high school. As a straight-A student, she applied for and got offers from very good schools. But the tuition prices and long distances from her family made her ultimately decide to accept an offer from a closer-by and cheaper state school, which allowed her to be closer to her younger siblings, for whom she felt responsible. For the same reason, she attended a local graduate program, which was commutable. She feels lucky to have a good job now, and realizes that her choice of not going for the top may have hurt her chances to get even better positions (and in many close possible worlds, might have meant no decent job at all).

But, as she wisely observed, the obsession with prestige is an obsession of the white upper class, it is a choice offered to the privileged which isn’t open to many others. Even not taking account institutional racism, getting into a top university requires a careful career trajectory, help from middle class parents with middle class values. In an interview, Harvard philosopher Tommie Shelby recounts how getting into a good program was just not a priority in his milieu.

As difficult as it may be to believe, this well-groomed academic almost found himself at risk of not attending college, In the spring of his senior year, Shelby sat in a meeting with his guidance counselor who was understandably curious about his future plans—Shelby had yet to apply to schools. He says that he was simply unaware that he had missed the fall deadlines.

Luckily, his alma mater, Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University—one of a group of Historically Black Colleges and Universities—had a second round of admissions in the spring.

“I went to Florida A&M by chance,” he says. “I’m a first generation college student, so no one in my family had really gone and knew the ropes.”

Shelby’s is a success story, but it is important to illustrate how many social factors can contribute to why someone would not just go for it and attend a top-5 Leiter program. There is a correlation between the prestige (or lack thereof) of one's undergraduate degree and one's graduate program, as Eric Schwitzgebel observes. Eric observes that just 19% of students attending top 10 Leiter-ranked schools come from "non-elite" universities. 

One may wonder then, whether pedigree is really a reliable indicator of quality, rather than of careful coaching and planning during one's high school years, in a milieu that puts a premium on pedigree and recognizes its importance for future success. 

Using pedigree as a “Pavlovian indicator of academic capability”, as Barn puts it, has the side-effect of screening out ethnic minorities and people from non-middle class or upper-class backgrounds in the future generation of philosophers. This is a very unfortunate result, and I think, it is an important reason for hiring committees to reconsider the importance they place on pedigree.

 

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66 responses to “Hiring, academic pedigree, and exclusion: Is going for pedigree racist and classist?”

  1. Matt Avatar

    Hi Helen,
    Just to make sure I understand your stats, is it the case that, of white people who apply for the positions you’re considering at Oxford, 46% of those who apply get short-listed? That seems like a really high percentage to me. (I do wonder what we can tell w/ over 50% not stating an ethnicity.) Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re saying, but how it’s written it sounds like you’re saying not that 46% of people who are shortlisted come from the 37% known to be white, but that this 37% known to be white group has a 46% chance of being short listed. Those seem like very surprising odds. Can you let me know if I’ve understood? (I’d read your earlier exchange on this on the Feminist Philosophers blog but have to admit I didn’t come away any clearer on what was happening, but probably the confusion is mine, so I’d be grateful for clarification.)
    (I do think that it’s worth noting that Shelby went on to get his PhD from Pitt, one of the very top philosophy programs in the country, so I’m not completely sure that his story “illustrate[s] how many social factors can contribute to why someone would not just go for it and attend a top-5 Leiter program.”, though it does obviously illustrate how grad programs ought not just assume that people from less-prestigious undergrad institutions could not do well in their programs.)

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  2. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Matt: you are totally right, the way I phrased this was garbled (so I updated it and added a note, since not everyone reads all comments). I mean to say that the percentage of black/other ethnic minority applicants is not reflected in the shortlisting and appointing stage, so 13% of applicants are ethnic minority, only 6% of shortlisted candidates are, and only 3% of appointments.
    About your second point: Shelby indeed went to Pitt from a relatively unknown university, and then on to Harvard. It is a success story, but the fortuitousness of him getting into a university in the first place (given that he missed the application deadline of all the big schools) is striking. And I think Eric Schwitzgebel’s post, to which I link, indicates that the odds of getting into a good PhD program are smaller if you come from an unknown, small university (which is likely if you are from a poor background).

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  3. Shelley Tremain Avatar
    Shelley Tremain

    Helen, thanks very much for this post. The emphasis that search committees place on pedigree is also a way of (inadvertently?) screening out disabled job applicants. As I have pointed out here http://www.newappsblog.com/2014/03/disabling-philosophy.html#more (and to some extent here: http://dsq-sds.org/article/view/3877/3402), disabled philosophers constitute only an estimated 4% of full-time philosophy faculty in the US and less than 1% in Canada, despite the fact that disabled people make up approximately 20-25% of the North American population.
    The emphasis that search committees place on pedigree and phd-granting university works to screen out disabled applicants because many disabled people attend universities and colleges that are in proximity (usually the same city or town, state or province ) to their families and others who form an established support network with respect to (for instance) transportation, attendant services and other assistance with daily living, sign-language interpreters, medical practitioners, and so on. The establishment of such networks can require a great deal of time, money, and energy, an endeavour in which some, and even many, disabled students applying to prospective phd programs cannot partake. If a disabled student applying to phd programs already lives in Cambridge, NYC, or Toronto, that is, already has these requirements in place, and ends up attending one of the top universities because of this very fact, then, that student may benefit from the emphasis that search committees place on pedigree; others, however, will be disadvantaged by the fact that they attended an unranked university because they decided it would be more worthwhile and indeed feasible to read for their courses and research their term papers than spend hours on the phone or email trying to arrange attendant services, negotiate transportation to lectures, etc.

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  4. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Thanks, Shelley. It is indeed quite a disheartening statistics, and so indeed, those who heavily emphasize pedigree in hiring decisions end up being (inadvertently or not) ableist as well.

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  5. Eugene Avatar
    Eugene

    Hi Helen (if I may),
    Can you say a little bit more about how you’re understanding “prestigious” and “elite”? Doesn’t the fact that many of the very best schools for philosophy are affordable state schools complicate things, here? For example, I came from a poor, working-class family. You rightly suggest that because of this background, it was likely that only cheap state schools would be on my radar (which they were). But because it so happened that my affordable state school had an excellent philosophy program, I was able to receive an excellent education and parlay it into admission into a really great graduate program in philosophy. I even had my undergraduate letter writers report that I didn’t have the money to receive extra SAT training and the like. I’m not sure any of these anecdotes contradicts you’re claim that hiring might be classist, but I do think example like this (of which there are many in my experience) does suggest that whatever classism there might be is more subtle than it might look.

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  6. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Hi Eugene: Thanks very much for the observations. Let me clarify how I see elite: roughly, I see elite in terms of how the place is perceived (for instance, in the PGR but also the general prestige of the university. While the PGR has lots of excellent state schools in its ranks, I note that in the top 20, we can find a lot of the Ivy League, including Brown, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, which as you point out are not on the radar of people from poor backgrounds. So while the prospective pool of schools to choose from (taking the PGR as a guide) is, say, 20 or 50, the pool for people from poorer backgrounds is 20 or 50 – n, a smaller pool.
    In my post, I draw mostly from the UK experience as I’m most familiar with that situation. In the UK, almost all universities charge £9000 for domestic and EEA students, which is the allowed maximum. So financial considerations don’t play there.
    Nevertheless, students from wealthy backgrounds are much more likely to attend Oxford, Cambridge, etc because their grades are much better, their applications look much better etc (people who do admissions here often remark on the difference in applications of people who went to private schools and to public schools – they are a great deal better at self-promotion, and have received much better coaching to help them get into the best universities. I wonder if similarly students in the US from richer backgrounds, next to having better grades, also have better looking applications. So the hurdles are much bigger for poorer people to get into an elite university.
    Finally, you say ” I even had my undergraduate letter writers report that I didn’t have the money to receive extra SAT training and the like”. This is very sensible of them, but it does support the main point of my blogpost. People who do have extra SAT training (rich, white upper and upper middle class kids) don’t need their letter writers to point this out. They have higher SAT scores which increases their chances of going to university.
    I’m not saying there are no working-class background philosophers, who got their degrees at elite universities. Rather, I’m saying there are multiple factors that make it much less likely they’ll get there. If that is true, we are systematically screening out working-class people (whose letter writers might, for instance, not have thought of pointing out that they could not afford extra SAT training) when we use pedigree as a measure of quality.

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  7. Marcus Arvan Avatar

    Helen: Great post — and thanks for mentioning my post! A few more facts about the data may be relevant, however. 50% of male hires were from top-5 Leiter schools. In contrast, only 28% of female hires were from top-5 schools, and 42% of female hires were from either Leiter 26-50 or unranked schools. This suggests (but only suggests!) that prestige may play far less of a role for historically disadvantaged populations.

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  8. David Wallace Avatar
    David Wallace

    Two points:
    1) just to repeat my caveats about that hiring data from Feminist Philosophers. We can only draw conclusions here on the assumption that the 49% who reported their ethnicity are statistically typical. That’s a bit doubtful in itself, but if they are then the fraction of BME applicants is about twice the UK population fraction who are BME, and that’s odd enough to make me very cautious about drawing conclusions.
    2) the u/g success rate story may vary widely within the RG. I haven’t looked at the paper you link to (and I’m travelling so can’t conveniently get it) but I looked at this for black students at Oxford three years ago when it was in the news, and there’s virtually no difference once you control for A-levels and subject choice. Link at
    http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mert0130/successrates.pdf

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  9. Marcus Arvan Avatar

    Though, I should add, I still agree with your general worries about pedigree!

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  10. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Hi David: I did not see you replied to my earlier comment on FP. My apologies for this. You rightfully point out we need to be cautious with these data (although even in the case of an aselect sample, they could well point out biases in the selection process. The process is now more streamlined, where ethnic background is already asked in the recruitment stage, recruiters do not see these monitoring forms. So hopefully, we’ll get better data.
    But biases aside, the fact remains that there are many hurdles that prevent black students from attending Oxford and other elite places, factors that do not reliably reflect intelligence or capacity per se, such as the A-levels you mention (more challenging, study-unfriendly home environment for instance). (This is a different issue from the hiring data I linked to, since hiring and student admission are 2 different things, and different biases/factors might play).

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  11. Heidi Howkins Lockwood Avatar
    Heidi Howkins Lockwood

    Thank you for this thought-provoking post, Helen. The fortuitous nature of Shelby’s initial decision to go to college is, in my experience, extremely common among students who are under-mentored, i.e., students whose families and/or high school advisers do not have the resources or knowledge required to channel them into higher education and to provide the support they need to succeed once there.
    I received my PhD in philosophy from Yale, and now teach at Southern Connecticut State University, also in New Haven, Connecticut, where 40-60% of the students are first-generation students, 90% are from in-state, and only 30% live on campus. Here are a few excerpts from comments my students made in response to an open-ended question on an anonymous survey I did at the end of a fall semester philosophy class for a learning community of first-year students who read Ann Mullen’s Degrees of Inequality in another class:
    “I feel kinda guilty about coming to university. You know, family first. Education is selfish.”
    “I like going to school, but I think my parents aren’t very happy about it. They think you’re a demon because we’re reading things that question our religion, LOL.”
    “I’m not sure it was right choice. I have to open family bakery at 4 o’clock am. Sometimes I am late for class every day, and I think maybe it could be a waste of money.”
    “Being a student is hard, but it’s the only path to a profitable future.”
    “I believe that choosing a college education is a necessary but not sufficient condition for becoming an educated citizen.”
    (The question was: “You’ve completed your first semester! What are your thoughts at this point in your education about the choice to pursue a higher degree?”)
    So many of the students I work with are dealing with so much more than just coursework. Many of them are diligent, determined, extremely intelligent — and struggling to reconcile the culture of higher education, the values and beliefs of their family or community, and their own still-nascent views.
    I learned in one of my first semesters of teaching at Southern just how profound the disconnect — and the impact — of higher education can be for some of these students, when one of my brightest students suddenly stopped attending class in November, and re-emerged at my office hours some 3-4 weeks later, just a couple of weeks before the end of the semester, asking what she could do to catch up. When I asked what happened, she explained that our in-class discussion of Debra Satz’s “Markets in Women’s Reproductive Labor” had led her to the conclusion that she could justify participating in the Yale Fertility Clinic’s egg donor program, in order to obtain the $15k she needed to get her brother back into the residential heroin detox program that her parents refused to pay for.
    Mullen’s Degrees of Inequality: Culture, Class, and Gender in American Higher Education, for those who haven’t read it, explores the differences between the experiences of students at Southern Connecticut State University (“Southern”), and Yale University, which is just two miles down the road.
    To say that the attitudes of many members of the Yale faculty are classicist and elitist is an understatement. (I was privy to a conversation between two senior members of the Yale faculty — neither of whom, like many Yale faculty, have ever actually been to Southern — just a couple of years ago. The Yale faculty were trying to decided whether Southern is actually in New Haven. “Isn’t that the school up by the transfer station?” one of them asked, addressing the question to the other Yale faculty member, rather than the two Southern faculty members who were right there, trying to respond. The university by the dump. Yeah. Right. Not the definite description I would choose — but, hey, at least they correctly concluded that the university is in New Haven. What made this particularly sad is that the faculty members in question are among those that I’d characterize as comparatively “decent folk.”)
    As Helen’s friend so astutely observes, the “obsession with prestige is an obsession of the white upper class.”
    I’d like to be able to encourage my students to eschew the elitist fallacy, to recognize and embrace the fact that pedigree is not a reliable indicator of quality. But, while I firmly believe that an emphasis on pedigree is a load of classicist racist narcissist bunk, I am also reminded — daily — of the very real and huge gap between the resources at elite and non-elite universities. Two weeks ago I had to email yet another colleague to ask for an article in a journal (the Review of Symbolic Logic) which is not available via the Connecticut state library system. Last week I learned that my daughter, a senior at Harvard, has an interview for one of the Harvard-funded post-graduate travelling fellowships, and then sat down on the same day with a student at Southern, where there are no such fellowships, to discuss plans to work 3-4 jobs for part of the summer so that he can save enough to meet his student financial contribution and also afford to travel outside New England (for the first time ever) at the end of the summer. This week I will miss the Pacific APA because the total per annum travel allocation for Southern faculty is $1,000, which would mean the P-APA would be the only conference I could attend this year. How could I, in good faith, not encourage a student to accept the emphasis on pedigree and prestige as a regrettable and falsifiable but pragmatic guide to “quality”?
    And how can faculty at state universities encourage students to aspire to attend graduate school, when we know the chances of getting in to a PhD program — never mind getting a job in the field — are monumentally improbable?

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  12. Lisa Shapiro Avatar
    Lisa Shapiro

    When I was in grad school (at Pittsburgh in the late 1980s-1990s), it seemed (and I have a dim recollection of actually hearing faculty make this explicit) that faculty were self-consciously admitting students from non-elite institutions into the graduate program. My entering year included students from less prestigious liberal arts colleges (though still prestigious enough) and state schools in the midwest, as well as those of us from more prestigious liberal arts colleges and Ivy league schools. There were also a fair number of international students (from Singapore and Canada in my year, but a more diverse lot in other years). I do not know if that practice changed, or if it did, when it did, but it would be a good thing to bring back.

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  13. r Avatar
    r

    “One may wonder then, whether pedigree is really a reliable indicator of quality, rather than of careful coaching and planning during one’s high school years, in a milieu that puts a premium on pedigree and recognizes its importance for future success.”
    I went to an ‘elite’ prep school for high school. Everything about it, from the social atmosphere to the actual formal mechanisms, was oriented toward getting into college college college (and not just any college!). There was certainly careful coaching and planning. However, at the same time, it was also incredibly academically demanding. So I would say, and I imagine this is not unique, that my high school was full of incredibly privileged but also very good students.
    So, my instinct would be to say: I imagine prestige is an indicator for aptitude and privilege both, and that at basically every level.

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  14. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    r: I don’t deny those programs are difficult and demanding, and this might provide a reasonable justification for why our profession values pedigree so much. Also, as I’ve been witnessing now, there’s a reason for why pedigree institutions are so highly regarded. Going to Oxford provides students with resources that I could only dream of: one-on-one tutorial sessions, a library that has almost anything you’d like to consult, counseling and support if things get difficult, an exciting academic environment with multiple opportunities for external engagement. Students who are tutored improve more rapidly in their paper writing skills, as they get one-on-one feedback each week on their papers by the tutor, than students attending universities where their papers are graded by the dozens.
    At the same time, students from disadvantaged backgrounds, as Heidi tells about her students, have to face several additional obstacles: family situations, lack of mentoring and support, responsibilities for younger sibs etc. Such students are often incredibly smart and hard-working, but for various reasons they cannot make it into the few top programs (as I’ve pointed out, such students often lack the mentoring and information that would encourage them to even apply to such programs. It might also be difficult for them to attend out-of-state schools).
    So if we have a pile of applications for a tenure track job, why does pedigree still play such a heavy role if there are other measures that allow one to assess quality, such as writing sample, or publications? If anything, I think a student from an unranked or lowly ranked program with roughly the same number and quality of publications as a student from a top program is a more promising candidate, as the unranked program-candidate has likely faced and overcome more obstacles than the top-program candidate, who also got the benefit and support that comes with such programs.
    I am also thinking about the potential loss of intellectual diversity. Marcus based his analysis on partial data, but we should be worried if only 5 programs are providing nearly 40% of all new hires.

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  15. Unnamed Junior Faculty Avatar
    Unnamed Junior Faculty

    In defense of search committees (and having just been on one), it is extremely hard to sort through hundreds of applications for a single position without using criteria like pedigree to narrow down the pool. Moreover, where a person was educated often has a significant influence on other aspects of their portfolio, including most obviously the quality of one’s writing sample and the prestige of one’s letter-writers — so even if pedigree isn’t considered directly relevant, it’s bound to make a difference in these other ways. Finally there’s the fact, noted above, that where a person studied almost certainly is correlated with how good a philosopher one is — the correlation may be weak, but it’s hard to deny that it’s there.
    So it seems to me that if the issue is with a lack of diversity in the profession, then the right response is some kind of affirmative action in hiring that targets people from underrepresented groups: something that is common, and much easier to do than attempting to control for pedigree.
    In addition, and building on Lisa Shapiro’s point above as well as Eric Schwitzgebel’s data, there’s a strong argument to be made that the place where efforts to increase diversity should be focused most strongly is at the level of graduate admissions and undergraduate recruitment: the stakes here are much lower than that of TT hiring, so there is more room to “take a risk” on someone whose background is unknown, and if elite departments would admit more students from less prestigious backgrounds, this would make it easier for such students to be hired even as hiring departments are strongly influenced by prestige.

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  16. Gordon Hull Avatar

    I don’t know how far back the data goes, but it seems to me likely that this effect will be getting worse over time. At least, that would be plausibly predictable consequence of ranking programs by survey. There’s at least three reasons why that might be: first, since perceived ability to get its graduates good jobs will be points in favor of a program, the more job placement tends to concentrate in the top n departments, the better those departments will be perceived to be. Second, and this was mentioned above, this will likely have the effect of further narrowing the perception of what counts as “good work in philosophy” to the sorts of things that people at the highest-ranked programs tend to do. Third, the more a program’s graduates are on hiring committees, the better the odds are they’ll take a look at their own program’s candidates seriously. This isn’t necessarily a critique – with 300 applications, you need some way to cut the number, and it’s quite plausible to say that you know what an applicant from your school’s program will be like. You’ll also know better how to read the reference letters, if you know the writers.
    These of course become self-fulfilling to an extent, and so departments will rise in rankings, or pull away from other departments, for reasons internal to the survey process, and unrelated to program quality. At that point, the real cut (and again, I take it that Unnamed Jr Faculty (@15) is saying this too) is either from undergraduate to grad school, or even into undergraduate school – and that’s before even the well-prepared are in a position to truly manage it. And people from less-advantaged backgrounds are at a huge disadvantage, as the OP and Heidi Lockwood’s comment underscore.

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  17. r Avatar
    r

    Helen: that all seems reasonable–I am as much a class warrior as the next person, and would not want to claim that the patterns of prestige distribution are fair.
    Furthermore, it also seems reasonable to hold that evidence of accomplishment probabilistically screens prestige, and it’s naturally to conclude that thereby we should just look directly at the evidence of accomplishment. The difficulties I foresee are: there are so many applicants that committees may not be able to directly look at evidence of their accomplishments in the full sense of e.g. carefully reading every writing sample even on the first pass, but the easy-to-process evidence is rather sparse–aka, many applicants don’t have notable publications or whatnot that you can pick up on just by scanning the CV. Given all this, how to direct a search committee to act both rationally and justly seems to me a difficult question (as, I’m sure, it also does to everyone else–I don’t claim great insight here).

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  18. Mutt without a pedigree Avatar
    Mutt without a pedigree

    I have a PhD from a non-elite state school, which I attended for many of the reasons cited above (commutable distance from my home and jobs, affordable, ability to attend part time). I was a first-generation college grad, already burdened with undergraduate debt, and being able to go to grad school and work, without incurring more debt, was very important to me. I kind of think I got lucky and beat the odds when I was hired for a tenure track position, and I have no doubt that one important factor was that I landed a decent post-doc after I graduated. That gave me time and mentoring to develop a research program and get published. But, I re-entered the job market last year, and found that, for the jobs where I was a finalist, candidates with prestigious degrees were beating me. Don’t get me wrong — I’m certain the people hired were all very qualified, and that pedigree was not the sole reason they were hired. But I wonder if pedigree serves as a tie-breaker for hiring committees when, all things considered, candidates are otherwise very similarly qualified.
    I am concerned, in looking at hiring this year, by how much pedigree seems to matter in post-doc hiring (and how much having a post-doc helps in getting a TT job). If post-docs are almost exclusively going to candidates already benefitting from prestigious PhDs, that puts yet another barrier in front of grads from less pretigious institutions, and removes one of the avenues that might have helped them enhance their profile. Disadvantages, rather than being mitigated as one climbs up the educational ladder, then continue to pile up.

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  19. Jon Cogburn Avatar

    I’ve been on lots of hiring committees at this point and I’m sorry but if you decide ahead of time what area you are looking for, then you don’t need to use filters like pedigree, because if the add is narrow enough you won’t get too many applicants.
    Even when you advertise broadly so as to get hundreds of applicants, it’s not that much work to read every applicant’s cover letter and description of their dissertation and make a first cut based on that. This gives you lots of information about how the person might fit given your teaching, research, and service needs.
    The worst thing you can do is put too much emphasis on the letters, because then star worship is going to kick in (and given how weirdly inflated some, but not all letters are, they are actually pretty useless in any case). A very good policy is to only read the letters of people after you’ve read their complete writing sample. Of course you can’t read two hundred writing samples. Waiting to read the letters until afterwards means you’ve made the first few cuts on a more fair basis. It also substantially mitigates the star worship factor because you if you’ve thought deeply about the writing sample, then you feel like you already know the candidates by the time you get around to the letters.

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  20. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    I agree – it is hard to sift through lots of applications. I have recently been part of a SC too (not in philosophy, but in experimental psychology), and it was difficult. But I’m still unsure of the merits of using program as a heuristic for a first cut. It is bad for the profession if a substantial percentage of new hires (how much remains to be seen until we have a full sample & analysis, if Marcus Arvan or someone else is willing to crunch the numbers) come from just a handful of programs. And I fear that the proxy of prestige filters out lots of interesting people who could enrich our philosophical discourse: black philosophers and members of other minorities), disabled people (as was clear from a recent Feminist Philosopher post)… Do we take that big of a risk to hire someone who is not from a stellar department? If by “risk” is meant someone who writes differently and thinks differently as a result of a different education and background, certainly, but I would welcome that.

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  21. Gordon Hull Avatar

    I absolutely agree on most of this. First, on the letters – I read them very last in my looking at a candidate, and so if I’m reading somebody’s letters, they’re already pretty high up on my list. But I’ve had colleagues who go there first. I don’t understand that – cv (I go there first, because it makes it easy to see what in the cover letter is, um, supportable) and cover letter, then writing sample. Letters add very, very little beyond the writing sample, IMO. Second, yes, a well-worded job ad does wonders, as you can look at cover letters and cv’s to pretty quickly cut the majority of applicants.
    On the other hand, if you’re part of a top ranked department, or are modeling your own vision of a department (consciously or otherwise) on your memory of your own top-ranked department, there’s probably a couple of other factors at work. First, you’re going to want something that’s produced in greater supply at similar such departments. So the initial cut with the job ad does you less good. Second, a lot of folks are getting admin pressure to hire from the right universities. So it’s harder to cut those people.
    My final thought is that there’s probably an implicit pedigree bias that works like the other ones on the Harvard test. I don’t know if this has ever been tested, but the proposition is that we’re all going to have to work hard to overcome such an implicit bias in favor of institutions we are told are highly-ranked in order to avoid giving people from those departments an invisible (to us) bump-up in the sorting. And, of course, given the prevalence of other implicit biases, there will be an intersectional impact for those who are from traditionally under-represented groups AND from non-top-n programs.

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  22. A Different Junior Person Avatar
    A Different Junior Person

    “In defense of search committees (and having just been on one), it is extremely hard to sort through hundreds of applications for a single position without using criteria like pedigree to narrow down the pool.”
    Our department has done a lot of hiring over the past few years for temporary and permanent positions and I just didn’t find this to be the case. I won’t say that my methods are ideal, but I’ve found you can work very quickly to a very short list by looking just at publications and fit between the job description stuff like areas that the candidate publishes in and the candidate’s research statement.
    “Finally there’s the fact, noted above, that where a person studied almost certainly is correlated with how good a philosopher one is — the correlation may be weak, but it’s hard to deny that it’s there.”
    Agreed, but it’s silly to look at pedigree when there’s other information available that seems to better correlate with things like the candidate’s philosophical ability and ability to publish (e.g., publication record).

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  23. Peter Gratton Avatar

    While the above may be depressing, unless my skimming above has missed it, this is incomplete data. Someone published a couple of months ago (I promise! I just can’t find it) data based on the APA Graduate Guide, which is far more complete and far better for non-Leiter-Report programs. The whole discussion is based upon the premise that this data is an accurate reflection of the profession. Better to go here (http://www.apaonline.org/?page=gradguide) look at particular schools and their performance over a longer period, with more complete data (not on a wiki), and make decisions from there. This doesn’t mean I don’t agree with various issues about gender and race raised above, but this paints a different picture.

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  24. Jamie Avatar
    Jamie

    The use of the term “pedigree” is problematic. It suggests the false and pernicious ideology that (1) academic skills are innate, (2) the products of prestigious institutions are somehow inherently superior to those who are excluded for one reason or another, and (3) the winners of academic games win because of superior “breeding.”
    I would recommend instead using the more neutral phrases “educational background,” “institutional affiliations,” or, better yet, following Bourdieu, “institutionalized cultural capital.”

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  25. John Waterman Avatar
    John Waterman

    I think this post is important, and I think it’s really critical to think about the barriers confronting underrepresented groups in philosophy.
    I do think, perhaps, one relevant detail has been left out, and that’s how many phds the top 5 produce in any given year. Johns Hopkins, where I am, accepts about 4 or 5 students a year and produces maybe 2 phds a year (sometimes ,1 sometimes 3).
    If programs at the top are the largest, and those further down tend to be smaller, then this wouldn’t be as surprising proportionally. It could be – and just could be since I don’t really know how many phds the groups produce – a version of simpson’s paradox. Knowing the relevant proportions of phds produced would help assess this.

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  26. Helen De Cruz Avatar

    Jamie: I use the term “pedigree” not because I condone it (or all its connotations), but because the term captures, in my view, the belief that prestige of institution equates with (or at least is a reasonable proxy for) talent, skill and other desirable traits in its students. As you could see in my original post, I don’t think that’s the case.

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  27. LK McPherson Avatar
    LK McPherson

    “[T]he right response is some kind of affirmative action in hiring that targets people from underrepresented groups: something that is common….”
    As a junior faculty member, you might still be unaware that there is in the philosophy profession no “common” practice of targeting historically “underrepresented” minorities to actually hire. The newly initiated can be misled by the prevalent practice of announcing outreach efforts–which mainly are supposed to serve the purpose of collecting applications from such candidates. My comment is simply meant to counter a widespread, pernicious misimpression.

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  28. Fritz Allhoff Avatar
    Fritz Allhoff

    Hi Helen,
    Just to follow on Marcus’s post, if this means that it’s easier for non-Leiterrific women to get jobs than non-Leiterrific men, where’s the sexism? It seems women have the advantage.
    This wouldn’t surprise me at all if it were true. Many departments are under marching orders to hire minorities, whether gender or race-based. (Fortunately, these sort of marching orders are illegal in Michigan, where I work.) So hiring committees have to go further down the lists to find these sorts of people because they’re more highly in demand. If a school wants a male, they have their choice of top-10 candidates. If a school wants a woman, they might not.
    Same is certainly true for graduate admissions. In my program, we have a brutal time getting female candidates because they’re often admitted to top Ph.D. programs that are allowed to take gender into account. The fact that, say, our percentage of female students is so low–at a strong MA program–is an artifact of their demand at the higher tiers.
    Also, I think this is a weird conception of racism. Say that committees use prestige of ranking as a (defeasible) proxy for talent, and say that, given each position is getting a couple hundred applications, there’s really no practical way around that. Further say that, anecdotally, some talented minority candidate who ends up at Florida State, but who, had she been white and privileged, would have been at Princeton, doesn’t make the cut because she’s at Florida State. Why would that be racist? Or sexist? Just because there’s an adverse effect on some group doesn’t mean that some -ism applies, particularly in absence of nefarious intent or purpose (i.e., it could just be a collateral consequence).

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  29. Luke Maring Avatar
    Luke Maring

    “Further say that, anecdotally, some talented minority candidate who ends up at Florida State, but who, had she been white and privileged, would have been at Princeton, doesn’t make the cut because she’s at Florida State. Why would that be racist? Or sexist? Just because there’s an adverse effect on some group doesn’t mean that some -ism applies, particularly in absence of nefarious intent or purpose (i.e., it could just be a collateral consequence).”
    Nefarious intent is not a necessary condition for racism or sexism. If a particular way of doing things poses, even inadvertently, a barrier to minorities and women that it does not pose to white guys, that is institutional racism/sexism. Or, at the very least, we should take seriously the idea that it is institutional racism/sexism. This isn’t a weird or non-standard definition…

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  30. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    Fritz,
    I think you might not be taking enough possibilities into account with these descriptions. Take, for instance, your description of what is happening for your MA program. At my low-ranked PhD institution, admissions didn’t have to use affirmative action policies since women apply in such high numbers. This seems somewhat inconsistent with what you say until you realize that women may not be as inclined to apply to a program with an all-male faculty, such as yours. Given the problems of climate in the discipline, an all-male faculty might be a sign of a hostile climate. Women may be worried about just this kind of thing when they decide not to apply to your program. At least, it sounds like you have a relatively low number of applications from women.
    Further, your use of the word “fortunately” and “marching orders” when referring to affirmative action policies makes it sound as though you have not considered the potential advantage of such a policy. One such advantage of diversity is that it could change the climate of a department, making it more comfortable to people of different backgrounds and social groups. Another is that it could improve the intellectual quality of a department, since diversity seems to improve problem solving and decision making in general (see, e.g., http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100930143339.htm). Another, more obvious advantage is that it might re-balance otherwise unjust practices. That is, affirmative action may simply push back on biases against minority groups, such as women. If you believe that such biases exist then it seems reasonable to introduce pressure to overcome these biases (in the form of something like affirmative action), especially in cases where anonymization is difficult. How much pressure is another question, but given the other advantages I mentioned, I think the balance favors a more inclusive perspective than what I see in your comment above.

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  31. Jaded Ph.D. Avatar

    Also, I think this is a weird conception of racism. Say that committees use prestige of ranking as a (defeasible) proxy for talent, and say that, given each position is getting a couple hundred applications, there’s really no practical way around that.
    Seems to me that Jon Cogburn, Gordon Hull, and A Different Junior Person all gave some fairly practical ways for getting around using prestige of ranking as a proxy for talent.
    Further say that, anecdotally, some talented minority candidate who ends up at Florida State, but who, had she been white and privileged, would have been at Princeton, doesn’t make the cut because she’s at Florida State. Why would that be racist? Or sexist? Just because there’s an adverse effect on some group doesn’t mean that some -ism applies, particularly in absence of nefarious intent or purpose (i.e., it could just be a collateral consequence).
    Sure, this is a weird form of racism if racism was exclusively about the hearts and minds of people. Here’s a nice op-ed that explains the problems with thinking racism must exist in the hearts of the most evil among us: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/coates-the-good-racist-people.html?_r=0 (I like the part here, if you don’t have time to read the whole thing: “The idea that racism lives in the heart of particularly evil individuals, as opposed to the heart of a democratic society, is reinforcing to anyone who might, from time to time, find their tongue sprinting ahead of their discretion.”)
    Anyway. Absent nefarious intent or purpose or any -ism, I think that search committees or graduate admissions committees who, in making their decisions, fail to consider that choice of undergraduate and graduate institutions for many students might not directly track something like quality, but instead track things like class, race, and privilege enter are being willfully ignorant. Insofar as they don’t have some way to try to compensate for that very real possibility, they are being negligent. X-ism might not be in the heart of the person who fails to consider the possibility that a top student from a state school might have succeeded at Harvard too and take their candidacy more seriously, but I would still claim that they are being irresponsible.
    These don’t read like “marching orders” to me. They read like a recognition that sometimes we have to fight a little harder than we’d like to combat biases and the institutional realities that have contributed to philosophy’s lack of diversity. They read like a reminder that we should broaden our conception of “quality” beyond prestige of ranking (i.e., the leading reputational survey) or number of publications. They remind us of all the different ways in which one can contribute to the philosophical community beyond publishing or being from a top school. (Here’s one simple contribution: diversity in class, race, and gender equals epistemic diversity. And epistemic diversity is a good thing in pursuing truth (not to mention the preservation of our discipline).)

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  32. Cynic Avatar
    Cynic

    Jaded PhD, FTW.
    The problem, of course, is that behind closed doors committees have the privilege of denying the raced, classed, etc status of terms like “quality,” “prestige,”etc; there’s little real immediate consequence for them to take it seriously. In fact, there’s surely an incentive not to take it seriously, since many prestige-hungry admins would love to see a Princeton, Yale, Harvard hire. Throughout the feedback loop it becomes obvious what is really meant by “prestige,” “quality,” etc.
    It’s entirely unsurprising how academics, who fancy themselves “the smart ones,” are for the most part utterly nontransparent to themselves, or simply too spineless to actually fight the good fight.

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  33. Charles Pigden Avatar

    The following posts originally appeared on a related thread on Leiter. I’ve modified them very lightly to take account of the current debate.
    A) May I suggest a ‘first cut’ heuristic for TT positions that would at least diminish the classist (and therefore racist) biases inherent a pedigree based system?
    1) Rank the journals on a scale of 1.0 to (say) 0.4, ranking Mind and Analysis at 1.0 and The NoName Journal of Philosophy at 0.4. 

    2) Multiply each candidate’s actual and forthcoming publications by the rank number of their venues. Thus a publication in Mind counts as 1 and a publication in the NoName Journal counts as 0.4. 

    3) Sum the (multiplied) publications for each candidate.

    4) For each candidate divide the result by the years out from their PhD (perhaps adjusted for any time out they may have taken to have babies, feed the starving or to save the family business from bankruptcy).

    5) Select the top ten candidates for a more detailed examination.
    So to take myself as an example, when I was appointed to my current (then TT) post in 1988, I had an article in Inquiry, an article in Phil Quarterly, a forthcoming in Phil Quarterly, a forthcoming in the AJP and a forthcoming in the relatively no-name (and now defunct) Critical Philosophy. Let’s assign Phil Quarterly and the AJP a rank number of 0.95, Inquiry 0.7 and Critical Philosophy 0.4. Then I would have a publication number of (1 x 0.95) + (1 x 0.95) +(1 x 0.95) +(1 x 0.7) + (1 x 0.4) = 3.95. I was three years out from my PhD in 1985. Dividing by 3 would have given me a final score of 1.32. That’s not bad for those days though it makes me a lot less productive than the best of today’s candidates.
    The beauty of this procedure is that it is relatively mechanical. In principle it could be performed by a secretary (an important point given the massive number of applications that most search committee’s have to sift through). The only people it discriminates against are those people with NO publications. I think that’s fair enough when there are so many candidates with substantial track records of publication. I am rather shocked to find that people are getting TT jobs when they have nothing to show for themselves except the prestigious place that they got their PhDs. It seems snobby, unfair and irrational , generating an obvious risk of class (and hence racial) bias. Of course, luck and privilege help to generate the runs on the board, but at least under my system it’s the runs on the board (divided by the time that you have had to make them) that count. As for letters of recommendation it seems to me that should not count AT ALL when it comes to the first cut. Given the enormous incentives to overpraise candidates (the desire to improve your department’s placement record, the desire not to disadvantage your students given that nearly everyone else is overpraising theirs, the desire to help somebody who you happen to like and the desire to do your bit for somebody who has taken the trouble to butter you up) the chances that letters of recommendation will produce ‘false positives’ are absolutely overwhelming. They are, in consequence, utterly unreliable as measures of philosophical merit. {They are useful in my opinion only if you know and trust the letter-writer and if that person’s encomiums are backed by hard evidence.] With publications, you do at least know that somebody who did not know the candidate from a bar of soap and who consequently had no reason to wish them well personally, thought that their stuff was worth pushing into print.

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  34. Charles Pigden Avatar

    The following posts originally appeared on a related thread on Leiter. I’ve modified them very lightly to take account of the current debate.
    A) May I suggest a ‘first cut’ heuristic for TT positions that would at least diminish the classist (and therefore racist) biases inherent a pedigree based system?
    1) Rank the journals on a scale of 1.0 to (say) 0.4, ranking Mind and Analysis at 1.0 and The NoName Journal of Philosophy at 0.4. 

    2) Multiply each candidate’s actual and forthcoming publications by the rank number of their venues. Thus a publication in Mind counts as 1 and a publication in the NoName Journal counts as 0.4. 

    3) Sum the (multiplied) publications for each candidate.

    4) For each candidate divide the result by the years out from their PhD (perhaps adjusted for any time out they may have taken to have babies, feed the starving or to save the family business from bankruptcy).

    5) Select the top ten candidates for a more detailed examination.
    So to take myself as an example, when I was appointed to my current (then TT) post in 1988, I had an article in Inquiry, an article in Phil Quarterly, a forthcoming in Phil Quarterly, a forthcoming in the AJP and a forthcoming in the relatively no-name (and now defunct) Critical Philosophy. Let’s assign Phil Quarterly and the AJP a rank number of 0.95, Inquiry 0.7 and Critical Philosophy 0.4. Then I would have a publication number of (1 x 0.95) + (1 x 0.95) +(1 x 0.95) +(1 x 0.7) + (1 x 0.4) = 3.95. I was three years out from my PhD in 1985. Dividing by 3 would have given me a final score of 1.32. That’s not bad for those days though it makes me a lot less productive than the best of today’s candidates.

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  35. Heidi Howkins Lockwood Avatar
    Heidi Howkins Lockwood

    Jaded PhD & Cynic FTW.
    Fritz: You win the ostrich of the week prize. (An all-male list of faculty at Western Michigan HPS — http://www.wmich.edu/hps/people/index.html — and you think that the reason you have a “brutal time getting female applicants” is “an artifact of their demand at the higher tiers”? Seriously?)

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  36. Fritz Allhoff Avatar
    Fritz Allhoff

    Caroline,
    I just wanted to follow on your reply to my post, which I think probably generalizes to other programs. I’m not saying that we have a low number of female applicants, I’m saying we have a (comparatively) low number of females enroll (i.e., the enrollment % for women is lower than that for men). When we talk to students who are making decisions, it’s clearly the case that the women have more options and are more easily able to pick programs stronger than us (e.g., Tufts, Ph.D. programs). So they can move up the rankings more easily, I think, because they’re in demand. And I think this helps explain, also, why hiring rates for women outside top programs are higher than for men outside top programs, namely that many departments in a traditionally male-dominated field are tasked with increasing diversity.
    In some states, it’s straightforwardly easy to configure hires such that women stand at an advantage. (Like I said above, this is impossible in Michigan; we have a constitutional amendment that precludes gender or race from being considered in hiring. I think that’s a good thing, other people assuredly disagree. I’m just reporting what the law is.) In any case, I’m certainly not opposed to diversity, nor do I deny the advantages diversity may confer across a wide range of axes. I’m just saying that there might be reasons for lack of diversity, some of which aren’t apparent (e.g., the demand for women at higher programs, state laws, etc.)

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  37. L13 Avatar
    L13

    The 100 TT appointments that comprise the statistical sample you speak of are not representative of the profession as a whole. They are either self-reported, and candidates are more likely to report if they are going to a department they see as respectable, or reported by hiring committees, which are more likely to report hires they are proud for snatching. Even beyond these biases, not everyone even thinks to report job offers on Leiter’s blog. Representatives of community colleges, directional state schools and liberal arts colleges, as well as small departments elsewhere, are less likely to read and contribute to the hire list than people who work at research universities. So are philosophers who specialize in ‘continental’ philosophy or feminist philosophy or even philosophy of science, for example. Moreover, Arvan chose the first 100 TT hires that were reported, a decision based on an arbitrary criterion and an arbitrary cutoff point. If he had analysed data entries 47 through 162, for example, the percentages would have been different (but just as useless).
    What I’m trying to say is that this analysis does not show or even imply that almost 40% of all TT jobs in philosophy this year have gone to people who got their PhDs at the top 5 programs according to Leiter’s rankings. It only shows that of the 100 entries Arvan analysed, 37 fit that description.

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  38. anonymous female student Avatar
    anonymous female student

    Prof. Allhoff,
    I’m really quite confused as to why you would think what you seem to–particularly that you could get a good sense of why female students decline your program’s offer of admission on the basis of what they tell you about why they are declining. I’m a female graduate student, and I’ve been through the admissions process twice now, once just this year. I can tell you that both in my own case, and in the case of multiple other female graduate students who I’ve spoken about this with, that we declined offers of admission from higher ranked schools than the schools we are attending, or will soon be attending, on account of considerations of gender. Very few women who do decline offers of admission for these reasons inform the programs of this.
    In my experience, there has been quite a bit of networking and information sharing amongst prospective female graduate students, and even where gender and diversity issues are not a deciding factor (as in the cases where students choose lower ranked programs), it still very often looms large in the decision making process. Certainly not for all women, but definitely for many.
    That is, you shouldn’t assume that reasons given for declining your program are entirely accurate as there all sorts of disincentives for being forthright if the reason is actually climate-related; and you shouldn’t assume that women who chose higher-prestige programs or PhD programs are doing so strictly on the basis of prestige or pursuit of the PhD (I also know women who have declined PhD offers in favor of MA offers because the PhD options they had were worse enough gender-wise that the MA was more appealing).

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  39. anon junior Avatar
    anon junior

    Charles Pigden,
    Your suggestion about vetting candidates in an early round based only on publication data makes a great deal of sense if we can assume that journal publishing is meritocratic and anonymously reviewed in ways that wouldn’t also track the race/class/gender/pedigree/etc. biases we’re trying to eliminate. The problem is that this seems unlikely to be the case for at least two reasons. First, there has already been a fair amount of discussion about the ways in which anonymous review is not really anonymous. If the review isn’t really anonymous than we can’t ensure that race/class/gender/pedigree/etc. bias doesn’t affect who is able to publish and who isn’t. Second, publishing as a graduate student and early in one’s career is almost certainly going to be linked to some degree to the amount of help, support and encouragement one receives from mentors and advisers. There’s good reason to think that race/class/gender/pedigree/etc. have profound affects on who receives the kind of support and mentoring that would lead to submitting high quality articles to high quality journals. I mean this both in terms of the fact that some students are more likely than others to have faculty offer to review and edit possible journal submissions and in terms of the fact that some programs, or some advisers, are less likely to emphasize the importance of publishing or encourage students to think about it early in their careers. Given these concerns, it isn’t clear to me that looking just at publications in order to narrow down the list of applications won’t continue to advantage those with privileged race/class/gender/pedigree/etc. statuses.

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  40. Marcus Arvan Avatar

    Charles: with respect, I think assigning numerical values to publications on the basis of the journals they appeared in — and making first cuts on such bases — is a terrible idea, and a potentially exclusionary one.
    First, journal venue is a very defeasible measure of quality. Some articles in top-20 journals are great, and some are not (I, for one, have read some very bad ones lately). Some articles in lower-ranked journals are great, and some are not. Sure — maybe the proportion of great articles is higher in the former than the latter, but still, I want to say, making initial cuts on the basis of purely quantitative “publications scores” may systematically lead search committees to cut people who have published good work in lower journals.
    This brings me to my second point, which is that where one publishes papers can be at least partly an artifact of one’s professional circumstances. Carolyn’s past data has shown that males from Leiteriffic departments tend to get prestigious post-docs far more often than non-males. Post-docs provide immense resource advantages: mentorship, time to focus on research, etc. Because people who do not find themselves in prestigious post-docs or tenure-track jobs off the bat typically work in far less optimal conditions — with high teaching loads, little mentorship, and little time (VAPS and adjuncts have to go on the job market every year) — there is often a great deal of pressure to publish somewhere, not necessarily in top-20 journals. This, for instance, has been my situation. Because I’ve been locked in a renewable 1-year position, I did not feel that I had the time to send articles out to top-20 journals all the time and just hope something lands. No, I had to send stuff to lower journals, because I knew that would have a much higher chance of adding to my CV.
    The quantitative aspect of the analysis you propose ignores all of these realities. I think I’ve produced a lot of good work, just not in tip-top journals. Your quantitative analysis would have search committees cut people like me — not to mention people who find themselves not having prestigious post-docs and tenure track jobs due to race, background, etc. — out in the first round. I don’t think that is a good way to counteract bias.

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  41. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    Fritz,
    I think the same basic point applies, whether the problem is a low number of female applicants or a low number of female applicants who accept the offer of admission. This could well be due to perceived climate issues, rather than women having more options than men. If I remember correctly, there is a pipeline problem between undergraduate and graduate education for women (i.e. there is a higher proportion of women at the undergraduate level majoring in philosophy than in the graduate level), indicating that women do not have an easier time finding admittance into graduate programs (quite the opposite!). Further, I believe that the proportion of women to men is relatively constant across Gourmet ranking, indicating that rank does not seem to make much of a difference to women being admitted into a program. I could well be wrong on these factual points, but if not, they count against the supposition you mention. In terms of the correlation discussed in de Cruz’s post above (and in Arvan’s post at Philosophers’ Cocoon and in my post here), there are potential explanations beyond that of women having an advantage in hiring. I give one such explanation over at my post (that the Gourmet ranking tracks prestige better for AOS’s dominated by men than those with higher proportions of women), which I encourage you to take a look at.

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  42. Michael Kremer Avatar
    Michael Kremer

    Reply to Charles Pigden at #33: This is the sort of thing that makes me despair of my profession. If we go this way we should sever all even etymological ties with the idea of the love of wisdom.
    I have no better response than to refer to Michael Dummett’s famous remarks on “completion rates” and ideology.

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  43. Fritz Allhoff Avatar
    Fritz Allhoff

    Right, but what of candidates who have no publications, but a lot of potential? They get a zero? What of people who haven’t graduated yet? They’re infinite (cf., divide by zero)? I’m not sure this helps a whole lot. It seems a pretty good way if hiring at the senior-ish level, or even associate. But even there it’s strange because we might care about things like impact factors rather than numbers of publications. Strong journals might tend to track this, but clearly there are a bunch of exceptions (e.g., articles in big journals that fall flat, articles in lesser journals that explode). I tend to like citation tracking better than publication counting/ranking, but there are certainly flaws with the former as well.

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  44. Fritz Allhoff Avatar
    Fritz Allhoff

    You’re not linking to the philosophy department, you’re linking to an HPS workgroup that is independent (and, I think, defunct). The issue isn’t getting females to apply, but getting them to enroll, maybe my language was ambiguous there. They’re just too much in demand at top-tier programs.

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  45. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    It looks like I didn’t use “pipeline problem” correctly above…it should say something like, “If I remember correctly, there is not just a pipeline problem between undergraduate and graduate education for women.”

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  46. Charles Pigden Avatar

    Apologies to all as I have had some problems accessing the system as well as being very busy lately. I am going to keep on putting up my original posts which respond to at least some of the criticisms that other have made of my proposal. However, my general answer to most of the critics is not that my system is good or fair but that it is better and fairer than anything else since it relies on achievements as measured by journal publications which are mostly anonymously peer-reviewd. Of course people who have had the advantages of going to a good school are more likely to have been published than people who have not, and class is important in determining which school you get to got to, so we still have a Matthew effect here. (‘To Him who hath Shall be given etc’) However if we ignore pedigree and letters of recommendation when making the first cut , at least people won’t be rewarded twice over, once for the head start they have had in life and once for the use that they have made of it. It gives those less lucky and more talented a fighting chance to catch up. It’s a way to mitigate the Matthew effect.
    You will notice too that although I am in favor of multiplying publications by the reputation of the journals in which they are published, I don’t suggest a very steep gradient between the journals. Mind is at 1.0 and the No-Name Journal of Philosophy is at 0.4. Suppose now that you have a hundred applicants for a job. You just don’t have time to read everybody’s publications. Other things begin equal, how many of you WOULD’T give a higher initial weighting to the person with a publication in Mind than the person with a publication in the NNJP? (I am presupposing, of course, that you work for a research university.)

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  47. Heidi Howkins Lockwood Avatar
    Heidi Howkins Lockwood

    Fritz, as you know, the philosophy department itself is also currently all-male: http://www.wmich.edu/philosophy/directory/faculty.
    While I’m very glad to hear that an offer for one of the searches in the Western Michigan department has gone out to a female philosopher, I’m concerned about the view you’ve expressed on this issue in another venue (https://www.facebook.com/heidi.h.lockwood/posts/10100493047330994) — specifically, the view that philosophy departments do not need to worry about representation and diversity issues in hiring if the overall composition of the university faculty is sufficiently diverse.
    Western Michigan is, and likely will continue to be, the recipient of U.S. federal funds. As a federal contractor, the university is required to make good faith efforts to recruit and hire women, persons of color, veterans and persons with disabilities. For a member of a search committee to express a view in public contrary to this mandate on the grounds of some speculative legal theory is — well, not wise.
    Setting aside the legal issues for a moment, it might be wise to read up on implicit bias and stereotype threat. Jenny Saul’s wonderful “Implicit Bias, Stereotype Threat, and Women in Philosophy” is a good place to start.

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    B) Another point about pedigree in response to Ulrich Meyer [who had asserted, in my view wrongly, that ‘good philosophers are made not found]. Suppose we concede that good philosophers are made not found. Then the advantage of going to a good school is that you get the chance to be made into a particularly good philosopher. If you’ve taken that chance that should show up, for instance, in your publications. But to select people on pedigree alone (which more or less automatically includes good letters of recommendation) is to reward people for having had the CHANCE to become an especially good philosopher whether or not they have actually managed to BECOME one (whereas a publications based system would tend to reward you for what you have become not for what you had the chance to be). If pedigree counts AS WELL AS publications, that seems unfair too, as the candidate from a good school gets rewarded twice over, once for having had an especially good CHANCE to become a good philosopher and once for actually BECOMING one, whereas the candidate from a less illustrious school with the same rate of publications gets effectively penalized for being just as good a philosopher despite having had an INFERIOR chance to become one. If anything, it is the second rather than the first that is likely to be the more talented.
    But there is a solution. Search committees should simply ignore considerations of pedigree (at least in the first cut) and make their assessments on the (prestige-weighted) number of publications divided by the time that the candidate has had to produce them. Institutional snobbery and irrational buzz-factors drop out as irrelevant. Having at least one publication is an extra hurdle for a young philosopher to jump, but not to make that hurdle an official requirement effectively penalizes those who have already jumped it.
    ‘What about teaching evaluations?’ you may ask. Well, in my experience nearly everyone has good-to-stellar teaching evaluations so they are simply not a differentiating factor. You can worry about teaching ability when you have selected your top ten.

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    C) I recently wrote an article (now out) arguing inter alia that a sensus divinitatis is an unreliable belief forming mechanism since our propensity to devotion often leads to a belief in false gods or false religions, a fact which is acknowledged even by those who think that some religion is true, since they will typically think that other people’s religions are false. In other words our propensity to devotion often leads to false positives and is therefore unreliable. But if this is a good argument against relying on our propensity to devotion as a belief-forming mechanism, it is an equally good argument against the belief-forming mechanism of relying on letters of recommendation. If a lawyer on behalf of some candidate were to say to me ‘I put it to you Sir, that the candidate’s referee, the distinguished Professor X, states that the candidate is God’s gift to Philosophy’, I would reply with the immortal words of that great epistemologist, Mandy Rice-Davies, ‘Well, he would {say that} wouldn’t he.’ If someone is highly likely to claim that P whether or not P is true, the fact that they assert that P provides no evidence of its truth. Letters of reference are only worth anything if you have reason to believe a) that the letter-writer WOULDN’T say that somebody was good unless they genuinely thought that they were, and b) that their judgment about who is good and bad (and who is better and who best) is reliable. And this means either knowing them personally or knowing them by reputation to be unusually truthful and self-critical. (For example they should not be too prone to form an unduly high opinion of people who have a high opinion of them. I’m impressed with letters of reference which explain how the candidate REFUTED the referee on some point or other. THOSE letters I DO take seriously. Ditto letters which are simply copies of an EXTERNAL examiner’s report on somebody’s PhD dissertation.)

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    D) Brian Leiter thinks that I am a bit extreme in suggesting that pedigree should not be a consideration for fair-minded search committees. His argument is that ‘pedigree is a decent if defeasible proxy for training’ and that other things being equal it better to have a philosopher you have reason to believe to be well-trained rather than one of whose training you are effectively ignorant. If training were all you had to go on this might be a good argument. But in the current climate it is not. Nowadays there are plenty of philosophers who have given evidence of the use that they have made of their training, whether good or bad. It is surely irrational to prefer someone you only believe to be well-trained over somebody who has demonstrated that they have profited from whatever training they may have received. And if it irrational to prefer pedigree to achievement it is unfair to prefer achievement-plus-pedigree to achievement alone. For that is to reward the candidate who has done well given good chances over somebody who has done equally well given worse ones. If Sophie F with a PhD from Boondock U is as well-published (given her time out from completion) as Yolanda Y with a PhD form NYU, then it seems most unfair to prefer Yolanda to Sophie, simply because Yolanda had a better start in life. If anything it ought to be the other way around.
    Brian says that ‘there is a reason that, e.g., almost everyone from NYU these days does very well on the job market, and it’s not mindless pedigree worship, it’s because these students worked with really good philosophers’. Perhaps so. But let’s reward them for what they have made of their opportunities and not simply for having had such wonderful opportunities in the first place. And that’s precisely what my publication-based heuristic would be likely to do. If they have benefited from working with those ‘really good’ philosophers, this will tend to show up in their record of publications, and NYU alumni will continue to prosper. But they won’t be prospering for no better reason than that they had a chance in life than their rivals.

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