Marcus Arvan at the Philosophers' Cocoon posted sample data from the new appointments site at PhilJobs, which is discussed in a great post by Helen de Cruz here at New APPS. In comments at de Cruz's post and in a new post Arvan discusses the impact of Gourmet ranking on women and men seeking tenure-track jobs. I wanted to follow up on Arvan's post by looking at the full set of data currently available at PhilJobs. I did this in part because I knew that the sample Arvan collected was skewed on gender, due to an earlier analysis on gender I performed for a comment on a post at the Philosophy Smoker. With that convoluted introduction aside, here is a summary of the findings, in keeping with the findings by Arvan: the gourmet rank of one's PhD granting institution appears to have a greater impact on men seeking tenure-track jobs than on women seeking tenure-track jobs. Although I cannot yet speak to the source of this discrepancy, I (like Arvan) find the difference troubling. I welcome comments on the source of the difference below, although any comments will be subject to moderation. Let's look more closely at the data (Note: the linked spreadsheet was updated on May 14th):

By my count, there are 150 tenure-track or equivalent jobs posted to the PhilJobs site. 86 of the hirees (57%) are men, and 64 (43%) are women. If you look at the ranking of these candidates' PhD granting institutions from the English-Speaking World version of the 2011 Philosophical Gourmet Report, 38 of these candidates' departments (25%) are unranked. If you look at the mean score, instead, which allows you to use any of the rankings, 22 (15%) are unranked. So 15% of those who have gotten tenure-track or equivalent jobs so far this year come from PhD granting institutions that are not scored or ranked at all on the 2011 Philosophical Gourmet Report. 

I split up my analysis into two parts, one looking at ranking (in the English-Speaking World version of the 2011 Philosophical Gourmet Report) and one looking at mean score (from the 2011 Philosophical Gourmet Report).

Starting with the ranking analysis, I split up the rankings in groups of 10, using 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, and unranked. Here is a table of the findings:

Total Hirees per Rank Men per Rank Women per Rank Percentage Total per Rank Percentage Men per Rank Percentage Women per Rank Rank Categories
46 31 15 31% 36% 23% Top 10
26 18 8 17% 21% 13% 11-20
27 15 12 18% 17% 19% 21-30
7 2 5 5% 2% 8% 31-40
6 3 3 4% 3% 5% 41-50
38 17 21 25% 20% 33% Unranked
150 86 64 100% 100% 100% Total

And here is a chart showing the percentages of tenure-track hirees per rank (click for full size):

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Since the slope for women is shallower than that for men (for the ranked departments), the ranking of one's Phd-granting institution appears to have a greater impact on men than on women.

One worry with this data is that there are so many unranked candidates. I decided to look at mean score to solve this problem, leading to a new analysis. 

For the mean score analysis, I split up the scores into scale of 4-5, 3-3.9, 2-2.9, 1-1.9, and unscored. Here is a table of the findings:

Total Hirees per Scale  Men per Rank Women per Rank Percentage Total per Rank Percentage Men per Rank Percentage Women per Rank Scale Categories
37 27 10 25% 31% 16% 4-5
64 38 26 43% 44% 41% 3-3.9
24 12 12 16% 14% 19% 2-2.9
3 2 1 2% 2% 2% 1-1.9
22 7 15 15% 8% 23% Unscored
150 86 64 100% 100% 100% Total

And here is a chart showing the percentages of tenure-track hirees per score category (click for full size):

Chart4

In this analysis, the highly ranked programs seem to dominate a smaller percentage of the pool, but that is likely only because the rankings do not track the mean scores in a linear fashion. This is because only 9 institutions have a mean score of between 4 and 5, while 28 have a mean score between 3 and 3.9, and 46 have a mean score of between 2 and 2.9, etc. Thus, the rank steps for institutions with mean scores between 2 and 2.9 correlate with a much smaller difference in mean score than the rank steps for institutions with mean scores between 3 and 3.9, and the rank steps for these institutions correlate with a much smaller difference again than the rank steps for institutions with mean scores between 4 and 5. If we thought that mean scores represented some sort of objective value, this would make the rankings a misleading representation of quality, especially given that they cut off at 50, which for the English Speaking World Ranking is just between a mean score of 2.7 and 2.6, a difference that means very little in terms of the supposed objective value but very much in terms of perceived value (assuming that absence from the ranking makes a great deal of difference to perceived value). 

In any case, the greatest number of tenure-track and equivalent hirees come from institutions with a mean score between 3 and 3.9 for both men and women, and for women more hirees come from institutions with a mean score of 2-2.9 than from  institutions with a mean score of 4-5. Of course, given the very small number of the latter and the high number of the former, this is not reason to suppose that women graduating from these institutions have the same chance of success. The trend for men, as in the previous analysis, seems to represent a greater impact of score on one's chances of landing a tenure-track job. 

If you would like to play around with the data yourself, here is the spreadsheet

Update: I changed the charts to focus on percentages, rather than numbers, since I think this is a somewhat more useful comparison. You can view charts created with numbers at the linked spreadsheet. 

 

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17 responses to “The *Apparent* Impact of Gourmet Rank on Women and Men Seeking Tenure-Track Jobs”

  1. Christy Mag Uidhir Avatar

    I would be interested to see the results of replacing Gourmet Rank (philosophy department prestige) with US News & World Report Rank (general university prestige).

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  2. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    I did this for the US News and World Report National Rankings 2014, but this leaves out all of the international institutions (and CUNY). As you will see, the effect seems to disappear.
    Rank Categories
    Top 25
    26-50
    51-75
    76-100
    101-170
    Unranked
    Total
    Total Hirees per Rank
    54
    26
    24
    2
    11
    33
    150
    Men per Rank
    30
    14
    17
    1
    4
    21
    87
    Women per Rank
    24
    12
    8
    1
    7
    12
    64
    Percentage Total per Rank
    36%
    17%
    16%
    1%
    7%
    22%
    100%
    Percentage Men per Rank
    34%
    16%
    20%
    1%
    5%
    24%
    100%
    Percentage Women per Rank
    38%
    19%
    13%
    2%
    11%
    19%
    100%

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  3. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    Perhaps given the fact that both rankings measure something like prestige, but only one shows a difference according to gender, an obvious suggestion about this trend is that the Gourmet ranking captures a type of prestige that fits areas of specialization dominated by men better than areas of specialization that have more women. This would fit the fact that the number of women involved in the Gourmet ranking is relatively small, even for the field. To examine this further I looked at gender makeup by AOS for the 2011-2013 data, since certain fields (M&E) have been shown to have better representation in Gourmet than others (History of Philosophy), at least according to my memory of Kieran Healy’s analysis. In the 2011-2013 data, 26% of women but 37% of men were in M&E fields, 37% of women and 34% of men were in ethical/political/legal/value theory fields, 22% of women and 18% of men were in historical philosophy, and 15% of women and 11% of men were in philosophy of science. Thus, I think it reasonable to think this trend reflects the bias of the Gourmet ranking toward M&E fields combined with a smaller percentage of women in these fields.

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  4. Christy Mag Uidhir Avatar

    Nice work, Carolyn. I suspect your explanation is correct in that over-reliance on Gourmet Rankings for hiring (i.e., not just hiring Gourmet-prestigious candidates but hiring to increase Gourmet-prestige) looks to have resulted in the general Halo being swapped for a gender-specific Noose.

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  5. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    I don’t actually think that most people are trying to increase Gourmet prestige with their hiring, although those that are might fall prey to the problem you mention. But I do think that it looks like prestige makes a difference in hiring, I just don’t think that it necessarily makes less of a difference to women than to men. I think a better explanation of the divergence for the Gourmet rankings is that the rankings themselves track prestige better for areas with more men than for areas with more women.

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  6. Dan Hicks Avatar

    I appreciate the work you’ve done here, but I don’t think these data can answer the main finding you’re claiming, that “the gourmet rank of one’s PhD granting institution appears to have a greater impact on men seeking tenure-track jobs than on women seeking tenure-track jobs.” That finding makes a comparison in three dimensions: TT job hunt outcomes, gourmet ranking, and gender. But these data only seem to provide two dimensions of comparison, gourmet ranking and gender; they don’t tell us anything at all about unsuccessful job hunters.

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    This isn’t relevant to the gender issue, I’m afraid, but something I’ve been curious about for a while. The English-speaking world Leiter ranking is dominated by US universities, and considering that the job market is global, this appears to suggest that you are at a relative disadvantage coming from almost any non-US school, even Cambridge, for example. Is this actually true, or would someone coming from one of the top ranked institutions in e.g. UK, Canada or Australia get kudos for that even if the institution’s global ranking isn’t so high?

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  8. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    I decided to alter the title to reflect the fact that the finding is inconclusive, for the reasons you mention. There may be reasons to question even the apparent impact, such as if you thought that the proportion of women to men changes with rank. I assumed otherwise, but I may well be wrong.

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  9. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    I don’t have an answer to that. As I see it, hiring committees are likely to be influenced by familiarity in both positive and negative ways–being from a more familiar institution is probably good (hence the locality effects for jobs everywhere), but being from a great institution that you rarely see candidates from is probably also good. It is a tough question as to how it all adds up.

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  10. Kathryn Pogin Avatar
    Kathryn Pogin

    Do we know the demographics of at least graduate students by rank? Vanderbilt, for example, has an extremely high proportion of women students relative any ranked program (so far as I’m aware).

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  11. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    Of those graduate students who were placed in 2011-2012, I found no correlation between gender and either Gourmet or NRC ranking. One could look at the full set of graduate students through the APA Report on Graduate Programs, but this is not complete. I have not done this myself, and I do not believe this information is on Philosophy News. If anyone else knows the answer to this question, please share!

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  12. Susan Avatar
    Susan

    Please forgive me for using language that may be impolitic but, I believe, is more honest. I think we’re seeing a catch-22 cycle here where programs that aren’t considered excellent are in general doing a better job at diverse hiring and grad student admissions, and to some extent these practices are self-reinforcing. Yet the same programs are often hit with labels suggesting they don’t do “good philosophy” or even “real philosophy”! I have noted with some cynical amusement that programs like Vanderbilt (mentioned by Kathryn) sometimes aren’t even credited in the rankings as being good at the very areas in which they employ the most faculty or advertise themselves as specializing.
    So what happens to women and minority grad students, who because of these enrollment patterns are somewhat more likely to study “bad philosophy” at “bad programs” with faculty advisers who aren’t considered “real philosophers” by others in the profession? Do faculty who value a narrow definition of prestige then discount their quality, in turn? Does this mean that more female philosophers will end up in the group marked as not doing real philosophy, or high quality philosophy? I’m not assuming anything about relative merit here – let’s even suppose only those at top-ranked programs will develop great merit, even though that seems quite unlikely. The results are still unfortunate and damaging, both to the profession itself and the prospects for women and minorities entering the field.
    When some faculty who share this narrow definition of what counts as “good philosophy” are being candid, they argue that lower-ranked programs are only doing a good job of attracting those diverse students because they have more permissive standards. I don’t know exactly how many people believe this, but it’s a common enough view that I’ve heard the argument repeated many times. I also happen to think it’s false. At the very least, it’s not well-supported by evidence. But the more people with decision-making authority who accept this claim, the more likely the entire cycle is to perpetuate itself. When most tenure-track jobs are then awarded to white men from the elite few institutions in the rankings, most of which have lower proportions of female and minority faculty and students than their lesser-ranked peers, and women constitute a relatively higher proportion of adjuncts and other lower-ranked faculty positions, the deck is further stacked against changing both the perceptions and reality of this situation.
    In short, I expect very slow change in the numbers of women and minorities in the field unless a corresponding change occurs in attitudes about what constitutes “good” or “real” philosophy. I had hoped to see this change once the philosophy profession had moved past the decades-old “analytic/continental” divide, but it seems merely to have morphed into a new sort of fault line. As long as it’s socially acceptable and even encouraged to judge entire fields of philosophy as bad or worthless, we have a problem. As a rule of thumb, perhaps we might restrain ourselves from issuing blanket judgments about philosophical quality unless we have personal expertise sufficient to support such a claim. E.g. if you haven’t read any Experimental Philosophy or 20th Century French Philosophy, you should be embarrassed to pass judgment on the entire field. If you aren’t prepared to support your claim with specific analysis of the relevant texts, you don’t get to say that Philosopher X’s views are crap. I’m personally exhausted by this sort of behavior and it is endemic in our profession.

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  13. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    You make lots of good points here, Susan, and I share your concerns. I will try to write a post on this more specific trend soon.

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  14. Rachel Avatar
    Rachel

    Hear hear, Susan. It’s even worse when prominent bloggers continually promulgate the problematic views that you rightly criticize.

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  15. cameron Avatar
    cameron

    Most departments don’t want to hire “feminist” philosophers, or “continental” philosophers. Hence, when forced to do so, they tend to try to kill both those birds with one stone. Thus, male students coming out of “continental” programs, like Vanderbilt, tend to not get any tenure track job offers, while female students from such schools typically have multiple tenure track offerings to choose from.
    That is to say, some sub-areas of philosophy are “feminized” in the job market.
    Since the main purpose of the Leiter “gourmet” report is to belittle the “continental” programs, and since the “continental” area of philosophy is essentially “feminized”, the result is that anything that measures the overall success of women in the field against the Leiter report rankings is going to find some notable discrepancies.

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  16. Kenny Easwaran Avatar

    Here’s another hypothesis. What if women are systematically under-valued on the graduate school application market? In that case, we would expect that on average, women would be grad students at departments of lower rank than men of the same level of qualification. In that case, if the job market is slightly more perceptive of individual qualification than the grad school market, we would expect some of these women from lower-ranked institutions to be recognized at this later stage.
    Given all the known problems with the job market, I’m not sure how plausible this hypothesis is. But I suspect that the graduate application market is even less rational, since people don’t really have much chance at all to show who they are and what they are capable of.

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