Every year’s end at UC Riverside, the philosophy faculty meet for three hours “to discuss the graduate students”. Back in the 1990s when I was a grad student, I seem to recall the Berkeley faculty doing the same thing. The practice appears to be fairly widespread. After years of feeling somewhat uncomfortable with it, I’ve tentatively decided I’m opposed. I’d be interested to hear from others with positive or negative views about it.

Now, there are some good things about these year-end meetings. Let’s start with those.

At UCR, the formal purpose of the meeting is to give general faculty input to the graduate advisor, who can use that input to help her advising. The idea is that if the faculty as a whole think that a student is doing well and on track, the graduate advisor can communicate that encouraging news to the student; and also, when there are opportunities for awards and fellowships, the graduate advisor can consider those highly regarded students as candidates. And if the faculty as a whole think that a student is struggling, the faculty can diagnose the student’s weaknesses and help the graduate advisor give the student advice that might help the student improve. Hypothetical examples (not direct quotes): “Some faculty were concerned about your inconsistent attendance at seminar meetings.” “The sense of the faculty is that while you have considerable promise, your writing would be improved if you were more charitable toward the views of philosophers you disagree with.”


Other benefits are these: It helps the faculty gain a sense of the various graduate students and how they are doing, presumably a good thing. If a student has struggled in one of your classes but seems to be well regarded by other faculty, that can help you see the student in a better light. It’s an opportunity to correct misapprehensions. In the rare case of a student with very serious problems (e.g., mental health issues), it can sometimes be useful for the faculty as a whole to be aware of those issues.

But in my mind, all of those advantages are outweighed by the tendency of these discussions to create a culture in which there’s a generally accepted consensus opinion about which students are doing well and which students are not doing so well. I would prefer, and I think for good reason, to look at the graduate students in my seminar the first day, or to look at a graduate student who asks me to be on her dissertation committee, without the burden of knowing what the other faculty think about her. It’s widely accepted in educational psychology that teachers’ initial impressions about which students are likely to succeed and fail have a substantial influence on student performance (the Pygmalion Effect). I want each student to meet each professor with a chance to make a new first impression. Sometimes students struggle early but then end up doing a terrific job. Within reason, we should do what we can to give students the chance to leave early poor performance behind them, rather than reiterate and generally communicate a negative perception (especially if that negative perception might partly be grounded in implicit bias or in vague impressions about who “seems smart“). Also, some students will have conflicts with some of their professors, either due to personality differences or due to differences in philosophical style or interests, and it’s somewhat unfair to such students for a professor to have a platform to communicate a negative opinion without the student’s having a similar platform.

I don’t want to give the impression that these faculty meetings are about bad-mouthing students. At UCR, the opposite is closer to the truth. Faculty are eager to pipe in with praise for the students who have done well in their courses, and negative remarks are usually couched very carefully and moderately. We like our students and we want them to do well! The UCR Philosophy Department has a reputation for being good to its graduate students — a reputation which is, in my biased view, well deserved. (This makes me somewhat hesitant to express my concerns about these year-end meetings, out of fear that my remarks will be misinterpreted.) But despite the faculty’s evident well-meaning concern for, and praise of, and only muted criticism of, our graduate students in these year-end meetings, I retain my concerns. I imagine the situation is considerably worse, and maybe even seriously morally problematic, at departments with toxic faculty-student relations.

What’s to be done instead?

One possibility is that the graduate advisor get input privately from the other faculty (either face to face or by email), in light of which she can give feedback to her advisees. In fact, private communication might be epistemically better, since communicating opinions independently, rather than in a group context, will presumably reduce the problematic human tendency toward groupthink — though there’s also the disadvantage that private input is less subject to correction, and perhaps (depending on the interpersonal dynamics) less likely to be thoughtfully restrained, than comments made in a faculty meeting.

Another possibility is to drop the goal of having the faculty attempt an overall summary assessment of the quality of the students. For awards and fellowships, early-career students can be assessed based on grades and timely completion of requirements. And advanced students can be nominated for awards and fellowships directly by their supervising faculty without the filter of impressions that other faculty might have of that student based on the student’s coursework from years ago. And students can, and presumably do, hear feedback from individual faculty separately, a practice that can be further encouraged.

As I mentioned, my opinion is only tentative and I’d be interested to hear others’ impressions. Please, however, no comments that reveal the identity of particular people.

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[Cross-posted at The Splintered Mind]

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12 responses to “Against Those Year-End Faculty Meetings to Discuss the Graduate Students”

  1. Pavlos Avatar
    Pavlos

    But shouldn’t we then ban any communication about students among the faculty, and especially any private communication in which various implicit biases and prejudices (and friendly relations) have much more chance to succeed in being unnoticed than in a public meeting where one can at least challenge a negative (or positive) view about a student?

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  2. Anonymous Grad Avatar
    Anonymous Grad

    I’m a graduate student at a program with such a review. One problem that has occurred at my school is that there is one professor who is very good at advocating for his students and seems to really care for them (sometimes to the point of seeming to have a cult of followers). This leads, predictably, to his students winning awards at a far higher rate than others.
    A quick search of recent winners of the award for an excellent qualifying paper shows that 8/10 of the recipients over the last 10 years had their dissertations advised by him. While I don’t doubt that the extra attention he provides students helps the quality of their work considerably, it is hard to believe that his students produce consistently better work than any other student in the department.
    It doesn’t seem, however, that the other professors have noticed this trend, or if they have, they don’t seem concerned by it.

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  3. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Pavlos, maybe UCR isn’t a very gossipy place, or maybe I’m pretty low on in the gossip hierarchy, but normally I don’t hear professors talking very much about the quality of students, except for vague, positive remarks once in a while. (“That first-year student X seems pretty good!” or “Y’s dissertation is shaping up great. I think she’ll do well on the market”.) If it’s the case in some particular department that there’s lots of negative gossip running around about students, then I think you’re absolutely right that it’s probably good to have a meeting where that gossip is made semi-public and possibly corrected. But that doesn’t match my own experience at all.

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  4. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Anon Grad: Interesting point. So one question is whether this would be mitigated if feedback to the grad advisor were made private or if nominations for awards were made directly by advisors. It’s not clear to me. Maybe it would, to some extent, if part of the mechanism is that this professor is pushy at these meetings, resulting in other professors yielding in a way they would not yield if the process weren’t meeting-centered. On the other hand, maybe this professor’s disproportionate enthusiasm (plus pushiness?) would manifest equally strongly in other arrangements.

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  5. Pavlos Avatar
    Pavlos

    Eric: that is not my experience from being around several departments (not limited to philosophy) – there are groups of people who meet or hang out regularly and on friendly basis, in a variety of ways (including married couples, and so on). There are, it is true, sometimes people who do not partake of the social life of the department as heavily as others.
    In any case, isn’t it part of the idea of university education that students are ultimately judged by committees and groups of scholars and teachers, rather than by individual people precisely to avoid, as much as possible, personal biases and such? I recall sitting in a few meetings where I was taken aback by the negative view of some students by some professors – but it was good that this was brought up since it enabled the department to avoid potential problems (since, clearly, the negative views were of a more personal than professional character). If this never came up – the student was actually intended to work with some of the people – we would not have been able to help the student effectively.

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  6. Christopher Gauker Avatar
    Christopher Gauker

    Sometimes students have to be denied future funding. Before that happens they have to be given a warning. How is any of that supposed to happen in a just way unless the whole faculty meets to discuss student progress? Incidentally (responding to one of the comments in Splintered Mind), I don’t think that departments should bend over backwards to avoid meetings. Meetings help to make sure that everyone in the department feels that they have a voice, even if they don’t hang around the water cooler, or go to Starbucks.

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  7. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Pavlos: I guess I’m not totally clear on the value of being judged by committees in this particular way. At the dissertation phase, the student is primarily judged by the people who read the dissertation (and maybe one or two other letter-writers) but not by the department as a whole. For awards and fellowships in earlier years, there can be nominations for particular awards, judged by departmental or university-wide committees based on whatever input sources they like (e.g., letters, grades); and there can be a grad advisor’s judgment based on general faculty input as well as factors like grades and timely completion of requirements.
    I do think there are some advantages to the group process, as I describe in my post, but I suppose I continue to think that those advantages are outweighed by the costs.

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  8. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Christopher: I agree that these meetings have the potential to give a voice to faculty who aren’t socially well-connected with other faculty. I’m happy to put that factor in the plus column.
    I also agree that students who are denied funding should be given a warning letter first. But my inclination is to think that a measure as serious as denial of funding should be based not on the faculty’s qualitative impressions shared at a meeting but rather based on clearer metrics such as GPA, unresolved incompletes, and failure to complete requirements on time. If Student A and Student B are identical in their transcripts and their requirement completion, it seems potentially problematic, to me, to deny Student A funding while granting it to Student B based upon impressions about general promise or seeming smart. In these matters, one wants to be as clear, objective, and transparent as possible, minimizing the role of faculty’s subjective impressions. (I assume here that denial of funding is a relatively uncommon occurrence. If every year a substantial proportion of students are denied funding on grounds of insufficient promise, and this is generally known to be part of a weed-out culture in the department, that might be a different matter, with different dynamics.) On the other hand, though, the meeting does give an opportunity for faculty to all be made aware of the student’s situation, so that they can mention extenuating circumstances or other considerations if they know of any; and maybe that would be somewhat less likely in an email-based process.

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  9. Christopher Gauker Avatar
    Christopher Gauker

    Eric, it would not be possible to define precisely the conditions under which a student should be denied future funding. There are too many variables. You would find the flaws in your definition by meeting actual cases, and somebody would suffer. Additionally, it can depend on who else is waiting at the gate. We cannot let a GAship lie fallow for fear that the admin will conclude that we don’t need it. In any case, there would need to be a meeting at which the faculty posed the question, do we really want to do this? And the student deserves to know that the faculty took a vote. There is no planned weed-out.

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  10. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Christopher, I think I can appreciate that perspective. Perhaps it would be especially hard to be formulaic if one of the considerations is using all the GAships on offer. At UCR, denials of funding most commonly result from too many incompletes and can occur during any of the three quarters of the year (as incompletes accumulate and turn into Fs). These cases are generally worked out case-by-case by the grad advisor in consultation with the relevant faculty and the administrators in the graduate division of the college, rather than at the year-end department meeting. That also seems to me a reasonable approach, and it has the advantage of not burdening the remaining faculty with negative expectations regarding that student’s future performance.

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  11. Grad Student Avatar
    Grad Student

    I’m a grad student. My department participates in this practice. This practice contributes to what is an already toxic climate in my department.
    The conversations are supposed to be completely confidential, but occasionally what is said trickles down to the grad students. Often these are negative. Fortunately I have never heard anything negative about myself at these meetings. I struggle with severe anxiety and depression, and negative comments made about me and my progress would surely have prompted me to leave the program in my early years. Friends of mine have heard negative things about their progress, and some of them have left the program as a result. One person at the dissertation stage heard that the chair of his committee thought that the view he is defending in his dissertation was “inconsistent.” Another friend heard that someone not at all related to her committee, with little to no exposure to her work, thought that she was “no good at all.”
    The shared impression of these meetings among the grad students is that these meetings are purely for the faculty either to mock the grad students they dislike, and bemoan the declining philosophical talent of today’s youth, or talk up students who’ve already achieved ‘golden boy’ status.
    These meetings might have value if they turned out to be helpful to the grad students who were visibly struggling in the program. They do not. That student whose view is “inconsistent,” according to his chair? His chair had never told him that before, and now he learns that through hearsay. The student who was “no good”? Never was counseled about her progress or given advice about how to improve.
    Also, it is well-known that the faculty drink alcohol at these meetings. Depending on where your last name falls in the alphabet, the comments about your progress might be particularly colorful.
    This is just the perspective of a grad student. Maybe these meetings are not as bad as the impression built up around them (though it is fact that the students I mentioned were told about their negative evaluations by faculty members present at that meeting). In any case, it should be clear that these meetings can contribute to bad feelings and an overall climate of apprehension and distrust.

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  12. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Grad student: I really appreciate your sharing your perspective on this. I think faculty need to hear about this downside potential of these meetings and do their utmost to avoid creating that type of situation or even the perception of that type of situation, either by not having such year-end meetings or by being acutely aware of these issues if the meetings do continue to be held.

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