John Divers' Possible Worlds has a nice discussion of the worry that counterpart theory doesn't adequately justify the extent to which we are ego-concerned with our own possibilities. If the possible Humphrey that won the election is a distinct creature in a universe not spatially connected to ours, what does that matter to the actual Humphrey, very much concerned with the possibility of his own winning or losing?

Divers does a very good job on behalf of the counterpart theorist in trying to undermine this worry. It mostly involves showing how non-philosophical sentences involving ego concern end up coming out true as interpreted by the counterpart theorist. It's a little bit weak in that properties we might take to be intrinsic end up being relational. This is only a weakness because Lewis and Divers take this kind of thing to be a criticism of the person who holds that worlds overlap (the same Humphrey existing at multiple worlds), and this is why Divers himself only considers counterpart theorists who believe in the reality of non-actual possible worlds, and actualists who don't. But if you have to explain putatively intrinsic things relationally, why not do it to avoid counterparts in the first place? I think for Lewis the other part of the puzzle is a horror at ontic vagueness, which the overlapper would be more likely to face. For Lewis the possible worlds and objects aren't vague, but there is vagueness in our decision to take certain objects to be counterparts or not.

I'm still not up to date on this literature, but I think that Divers at least doesn't present the best argument to justify Kripke's original worry about ego concern. This is clear if we consider duplicates instead of counterparts. Duplicates are objects existing in the same world that could serve as counterparts if they existed in different worlds.* Given the kinds of recombination principles that Lewis and Divers countenance, it should follow that for any two counterparts at different worlds, there is a world where objects indiscernible to both counterparts (as well as the environmental aspects that make them work as counterparts) exist.


Now lets consider the world where there is a United States1 where Humphrey1 loses the election and a United States2 where Humphrey2 wins it. Let's say that Humphrey1 doesn't know about United States2, but that it occurs to him that for all he knows there's an actual mirror United States not that different from his own, but where he wins the election. Then let's say at some point in the future he develops a good enough intra-world telescope to see United States2 and Humphrey2 being president. He might indeed infer from  that it was possible that he won the election.

But he wouldn't identify Humphrey2's winning the election with the possibility that he won. He would be right not to. Most analogical reasoning works in exactly the same way. Objects in the actual world are perceived to have some property and it is inferred that objects that are relevantly similar have the same property. These are often, if not usually, modally rich properties. If a certain medicine works on a certain kind of primate, we infer that it will probably work on us. But we don't identify the drug's actually curing primates with it's potential to cure us. Even weaker kinds of ontological dependence seem to fail here. A's being evidence for B does not mean that A grounds B.

Assuming that this is correct, what difference does it make whether United States2 is spatio-temporally connected to United States1? Again, we want to say that what actually happens in hypothetical worlds might be evidence for what might happen here. But if being evidence for and being the truth-condition of are two different relations in the actual world, why should they be collapsed when we are talking about two different worlds? I just can't see that it's a difference that makes a difference.

I think that the overlapper is on stronger grounds here, since there is a difference between a duplicate doing something in this world and what you yourself do in another possible world.

[*This is an example what Divers calls an "extraordinary context" where we are talking about the modal status of the set of possible worlds itself. For the genuine realist all such sentences are, if true, vacuously necessarily true. I've got a student working on this issue, and will blog about it in the next week or so.]

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11 responses to “maybe the real worry about counterpart theory is something like this?”

  1. K Avatar
    K

    I think you’re on to something. But I wouldn’t put it the way you do. Basically I think you’re putting some pressure on axiom 5 of typical counterpart theory: what motivation do we have, given that there’s a lot of flexibility regarding what counts as a counterpart of an object in this world in another world, for thinking that there aren’t good candidates for a counterpart in this world? The upshot is that the modal realist should allow objects here to be counterparts of other objects here. And then there’s no reason to me a modal realist! You can just cook up your counterpart relation so that it provides all the counterparts for all you need to say.
    This relation would end up looking highly gerrymandered and unnatural, but so it is on the usual modal realist account. Besides which, you make a great ontological saving.

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    @K
    I’m not sure merely allowing counterparts in this world would give you the full resources of a possibilia filled counterpart theory. I’d think you’d wind up with an actualist language and the corresponding difficulties in dealing with alien possibilities. Unless the counterpart relations are doing a lot of extra descriptive work, but I’m not sure I see how that would work convincingly for these sorts of alien possibilities.

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    K

    True enough, but regular modal realism + counterpart theory has these sorts of problems already: Lewis’s principle of recombination doesn’t get you strange worlds or all alien properties. So it’s just a question of how much revision you’re willing to permit. The GMR is already in this game themselves.

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    i k

    this is the kind of trickery that you guys (americans) come up with so you can write papers
    Did Jonathan want himself? or he didnt want himself?
    and did he know it? what does it mean to know
    I once was 18 and solved a couple of crossword puzzles
    and that it!

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  5. i k Avatar
    i k

    it is clear that the scientifico brain (which encompasess the so called “analytic philosophy”) works in different sets of the brain than the non-scientifico brain
    I can give you that
    and you can come and examine my brain
    or yours if you wish

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    i k

    and so hencetofore
    “analytic philosophy” is a branch of science
    it should not be confused with any kind of deep thinking
    abstract yes
    Math can be abstract
    to hell

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    yossell

    @K–I think Lewis already suggests allowing actual objects to be counterparts of actual objects, somewhere in OPW.
    Lewis believes in worlds with alien properties. True, they’re not guaranteed by recombination of elements of the actual world, but I would say that’s an issue with the role of Lewis’ recombination rather than his ontological take on the nature of worlds.
    But isn’t the problem not so much to do with alien properties as simply uninstantiated ones? There are no talking donkeys, so there are not talking donkey counterparts of my own donkey. So my donkey couldn’t have been a talking donkey. Reject alien worlds if you like, but restricting counterparts to the actual world is far more draconian.

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    K

    Useful clarification yossell. But I don’t think I see how your example is troubling: talking is instantiated by lots of things, so you’ll find a talking counterpart for your donkey. It’s just that it’ll be me, or some other talking thing.

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    yossell

    Hi K–but I had in mind not the possibility that my donkey might merely have talked, but that it might have been a talking donkey. True, on an (if I may say) incredibly generous counterpart relation on which I count as a counterpart of my donkey, we have the possibility that my donkey could have talked–but not the possibility that it could have been a talking donkey.

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    “@K–I think Lewis already suggests allowing actual objects to be counterparts of actual objects, somewhere in OPW.”
    Yes. FWIW, see pp. 231–2, in the chapter Against Haecceitism:

    For a second illustration, consider the thought that I might have been someone else. Here am I, there goes poor Fred…. The haecceitist will suggest that I have in mind a qualitative duplicate of this world where the non-qualitative determinants of representation de re somehow link me with the qualitative counterpart of Fred…. I suggest the possibility I have in mind is not a world that is like ours qualitatively but differs from ours haecceitistically. Instead it is a possible individual, in fact an actual individual, namely poor Fred himself. Like any other possible person, he is a possible way for me to be. He is my counterpart under an extraordinarily generous counterpart relation, one which demands nothing more of counterparts than that they be things of the same kind.

    He may mention it in other places as well; I’m not sure.

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    yossell

    Jon,
    I’m not sure I’ve understood the argument.
    But he wouldn't identify Humphrey2's winning the election with the possibility that he won. He would be right not to.'
    Firstly, a slight crinkling of the forehead that you frame the debate in terms of
    identifying possibilities’. Originally, counterpart theory was put forward to analyse certain kinds of statements involving the modal operators. Moreover, if Lewis were trying to answer with what should we identify the possibility of Humphrey's having won the election?'. For the possibility that he won the election is far from maximally specific. So, even if we were looking for objects in Lewis' ontology to identify with such possibilities, it shouldn't be identified with a particular counterpart.
    Secondly, my ears are set wiggling by the move from the first sentence to the second. Agreed, *Humphrey* wouldn't make the identification. But Lewis' case for making the identification is not on the basis that it appeals to common sense, but on its supposed utility, so I don't really see this as telling. Of course, the key issue is your claim
    that he is right not to.’ But I just wasn’t sure from what followed why you thought he was right not to. Yes–we don’t identify a drug’s actually curing us with its potential to cure us; but (a) even by Lewis’ lights it’s wrong to identify a’s potential to F with a’s actually F-ing; the property of actually curing is, even for Lewis, quite different from the property of being able to cure; (b) even granted that we shouldn’t make certain identifications in certain cases, how does this function as an argument against counterpart theory? True, in many cases, theoretical identification is unwarranted. But, as say with numbers with sets, there is an alleged argument from theoretical utility which is supposed to support the identification and the Lewisian analyses.

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