(Cross-posted at M-Phi)
Variations of PNC can be found stated in a few authors before Aristotle, Plato in particular, but also Gorgias (I owe these passages to Benoît Castelnerac; emphasis mine in both):
(Cross-posted at M-Phi)
Variations of PNC can be found stated in a few authors before Aristotle, Plato in particular, but also Gorgias (I owe these passages to Benoît Castelnerac; emphasis mine in both):
Why would luring a dialectical opponent into a contradiction be considered a means of discrediting him (or her) if you didn’t antecedently think that a contradiction had to be false (and, consequently, that your opponent must be making a mistake)?
If it was merely thought that an “inconsistent discourse is prima facie implausible (or less plausible)”, then that leaves as a mystery how contradictions became so modally-loaded – i.e.: how did a a contradiction get upgraded (or downgraded?) from merely “implausible” to outright impossible?
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I haven’t read this article (yet), but it cites some of the Wittgenstein references to the cult of “Widerspruchsfreiheit” and its at least occasional dispensability, in his view. I recall various references to this in the RFM and Nachlass, but haven’t noted them down.
http://www.academia.edu/517043/Are_all_contradictions_equal_Wittgenstein_on_confusion_in_mathematics
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I agree that an overarching concept of consistency is over-rated. But I’d defend different internal consistencies tied to different “dialectical contexts”.
Let me point this out in the lines that you have emphasized: “how can one have confidence in a man who in the course of the same speech to the same audience makes the most contradictory assertions,” and “You cannot be believed, Meletus, even, I think, by yourself.” Both of these statements underscore that the dialectic force is directed at internal consistency, of first the speech and then Meletus.
The question of being persuaded is whether our standards match up with the interlocutor’s, and accepting her conclusions if they do. So, I’d modify your statement, “a person who makes inconsistent claims is not credible, and thus not persuasive,” to say, “a person who cannot follow their own standards is not credible, and thus not persuasive,” since there are no identifiable standards in the hypocritical case.
To be persuasive, then, it is fundamental to not be a hypocrite and, hence, the local, reflexive consistency is what is important.
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Also a typo in the last paragraph, end of the first sentence: “I’ve just”. Outlined?
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Actually, wasn’t it the case that in Plato’s dialogues the interlocutors do not get persuaded to abandon their beliefs despite their inconsistency (but, rather, get angry at Socrates)? Why should persuasion be the ultimate aim, rather than, say truth or beauty, immortality, or a sense of purpose (whether in general or in Plato and Aristotle)? What is so great about it?
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Amen! : D
Do you find J.C. Beall’s Dialethism, in contrast to Priest’s, also fails to be in dialogue with Aristotle on account of its take on the (transparent) truth predicate (instead of its ontological commitments)? They’re just very distinct Dialethisms. Beall’s account also deflates the importance of consistency, but could it, perhaps, be better adjusted for the sort of persuasional-norm you’re describing? (I’m unsure how that would play out, just curious.)
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I don’t think that luring them into a contradiction is any problem for someone who does not think PNC is true. The problem, I think, is that, because they reject PNC, you can lure them into affirming PNC.
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There is another very important moment in Plato’s work where he appeals to PNC: it is in Republic IV and he doesn’t use it as a way to persuade Glaucon. Rather he crucially employs PNC to logically prove the tripartition of the human soul; PNC serves as Plato’s foundation for distinguishing the rational and non-rational parts of the soul as well as the spirited and the appetitive parts. So, if a person were to violate PNC, for Plato, then it would imply that he or she suffers from a serious psychological disorder, where one part of the soul is out of harmony with another part. In other words, consistency indicates psychological health and inconsistency indicates psychological distress. We shouldn’t be inconsistent because it is bad for us.
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I’ve argued in a number of places against insisting a correct exegesis makes a great philosopher consistent. I think Hume saw that there are deep problems in his account of ‘body’ and he gave up on consistency.
You will not be surprised to know that my view has met some criticism. I think my favorite is the one which claims my view is the sort of thing that gives feminism a bad name.
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Hi all, thanks for all the comments. Inconveniently, this week I am running a summer school (http://www.rug.nl/education/summer-winter-schools/summer-schools-2014/epistemology-and-cognition/ ), and so at the moment I won’t be able to reply to comments individually as I would have liked to. Hopefully tomorrow or after tomorrow I’ll have a moment of peace to do it properly. But please, keep on commenting! 🙂
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@9 Anne Jacobson
correct exegesis
I’ve always wondered what the principle of charity actually entails. There are often consistent but idiotic readings of philosophers, and I don’t think these count as charitable, though they may be technically not wrong/ correct. So what are we looking for other than consistency? Above CDN mentions persuasiveness, i.e. most persuasive is most charitable, but would you expand on charitable/ correct exegesis?
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Plato gives what looks like an “ontological” version of the PNC: “it is clear that the same thing will not do or suffer contraries at the same time, not in the same respect and in relation to the same thing” (Republic IV 436b8-9). Maybe you’ll say that isn’t strictly PNC, because it speaks of contraries rather than contradictories, and of doing or suffering rather than of predicates in all categories, but it looks a lot like PNC and is surely part of the ancestry of Aristotle’s formulation of PNC–shouldn’t it be part of your story? And it doesn’t look “dialectical” or normative, it just looks like a very universal truth.
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Another historical figure who heavily circumscribes PNC is Charles Sanders Peirce. Here is a representative quote:
A sign is objectively general, in so far as, leaving its effective interpretation indeterminate, it surrenders to the interpreter the right of completing the determination for himself. “Man is mortal.” “What man?” “Any man you like.” A sign is objectively vague, in so far as, leaving its interpretation more or less indeterminate, it reserves for some other possible sign or experience the function of completing the determination. “This month,” says the almanac-oracle, “a great event is to happen.” “What event?” “Oh, we shall see. The almanac doesn’t tell that.” The general might be defined as that to which the principle of excluded middle does not apply. A triangle in general is not isosceles nor equilateral; nor is a triangle in general scalene. The vague might be defined as that to which the principle of contradiction does not apply. For it is false neither that an animal (in a vague sense) is male, nor that an animal is female (Collected Papers 5.505).
In other places he stays with a more ‘logical’ account of his distinction between generality and vagueness as distinct forms of indeterminacy, but what strikes me here in the context of this post is his consideration of the different rights and responsibilities between utterers and interpreters.
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This is precisely the challenge that Aristotle faces in the Metaphysics, when trying to argue with the opponent of PNC. ‘Normally’, granting contradictory claims corresponds to the losing conditions in a dialectical disputation, but this doesn’t hold for those who oppose PNC, so he needs to find something else. As I read it, what Aristotle tries to do there is to get the opponent to do something incoherent by his own lights, something embarrassing, different from granting a contradiction (which, by the opponent’s lights, is not in itself embarrassing). On my interpretation, Aristotle tries to attribute a ‘performative contradiction’ (in the Habermas sense) to his opponent, but it’s not clear that the opponent would find it more embarrassing than a straightforward contradiction.
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Yes, I agree with much of what you say here: a person loses her credibility when she does something that by her own lights is incoherent (see my comment 14). Inconsistency is only one way of possibly being incoherent.
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What is so great about persuasion is its intersubjective nature, pointing towards the inherently social embedding of a human being (who needs others to survive). One can give it a cynical interpretation, and emphasize the possibility of getting others to do what one wants them to do, for personal benefit or not (say, on political matters: let’s go to war with Sparta or not?, or legal contexts such as the ones of the passages above). But one can also give it a more epistemic interpretation, in terms of knowledge sharing.
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Interlocutors are often exposed and ridiculed for holding inconsistent beliefs (this in the more antagonistic dialogues; there are also the more ‘didactic’ dialogues). That’s what an elenchus is about in the end, and thus they are predictably angered at Socrates.
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I must admit not having thought about the implications of different versions of dialetheism for my analysis above. But yes, at least in theory it will make a difference how exactly one spells out one’s dialetheist commitments. So thanks for the suggestion, I’ll think more about it!
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Yes, and as I see it the process of dianoia (which Matt translates as discursive thinking) is precisely about purging us from the imbalance of holding inconsistent beliefs (that’s the end-result). There’s always the medical analogy lurking in the background with the idea of an elenchus: it will be painful, but after the process one will be rid of certain ‘impurities’, i.e. inconsistent beliefs. Insofar as engaging in dianoia is applying the elenchus process to oneself, it has the same purifying effect, as it were.
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That’s a really interesting point. What is more charitable, to give an interpretation to an author that makes him/her come out as consistent, or one that makes him/her come out as saying interesting, insightful things? (If one needs to choose between these two options, that is.) Unsurprisingly, I would go for the latter, but I can well imagine the sort of opposition you must have faced…
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You are, as always, right: formulations of PNC in Plato are not always distinctively dialectical, and this should be part of the story (but wouldn’t fit the confines of a 1000-word blog post!). I’d need to go back to the Republic and see in what context this instance of PNC appears, i.e. for what reason Socrates sees it fit to enunciate it at that point.
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Thanks, that’s a very interesting reference!
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One of the problems with all the ‘resolute’ readings of the Tractatus, I am inclined to think, is the desire to impose an overall consistency on that text at the expense of the consistency of the overall oeuvre, perhaps partly out of pietas towards the author. I am quite willing to accept that Wittgenstein did not achieve full consistency in the Tractatus, even though he quite likely wanted to; perhaps he was even conscious of that at the time of first publication. So the flood of post-Diamond commentary might be seen as an excess of ‘consistentizing’ charity — which as you indicate seems to make the text less rich in insights while ‘totalizing’ it (or so it seems to me).
[Sorry to keep dragging in Wittgenstein, but I’m not competent to expound Plato or Aristotle here, and he was dialectical.]
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To H. Teichman @#23:
I don’t think there are many (I was going to say “any” but that is always dangerous) “resolute” readers who think Wittgenstein achieved full consistency in the Tractatus. Diamond and Conant, in particular, have been at pains to disavow this for at least 10 years now (beginning at least here). The way I have myself put things is that a useful reading of a philosophical text should not convict its author of obvious inconsistency, which is what I see as the upshot of the kinds of readings that Diamond and Conant initially set themselves against. The point is to see exactly where the inconsistencies lie and how seeing them where they really are can illuminate the arc of the whole oeuvre. (I don’t myself see how resolute readings of the Tractatus must endanger the consistency of the whole oeuvre, though I know the kinds of proof-texting arguments that have been employed to argue for this; to me these arguments present a less insightful overall reading, but we can’t really hash out such matters here.)
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To Michael Kremer:
Thanks for weighing in here, Michael. I was oversimplifying the nuances of (what I presume to be) the Diamond/Conant view — I’m still waiting for their advertised monograph on the subject. To my knowledge they have never replied point by point to Hacker’s rather cogent objections based on Wittgenstein’s ‘transitional’ writings from around 1930, which match my textual intuitions in this area. (To be clear, I am a huge admirer of Diamond as a reader of Wittgenstein; her paper on the meter stick texts, for example, is one of the very best things ever written on him; conversely I generally find Hacker a rather ham-fisted partisan thinker and interpreter, but he does have a point in this case, I think.) I am more of a ‘late-Wittgenstein’ guy, anyway (and I don’t dismiss the early/late distinction as utterly meaningless), so in a way I don’t have a dog in this fight.
As I continue to read the late texts, I see Wittgenstein as too ‘hausbacken’ a thinker to be all ‘transcendental and ladderless’ and such as Conant seems to want him to be. The philosopher who most fully absorbed his essence into her own working methods, Anscombe, was similarly down to earth. But this should probably be another thread.
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@ 11: I’m skeptical about the idea of a correct reading.
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