Many of you will have seen the following Facebook update posted by both David Chalmers and Jason Stanley (it’s astonishing how events in the philosophy profession unfold over at Facebook!):

Over the past day or so, 24 members of the advisory board of the Philosophical Gourmet Report have signed a letter saying that they value the extraordinary service that Leiter has provided with the PGR, and that they now urge him to turn over the PGR to new management. The letter (drafted by David Chalmers, Jonathan Schaffer, Susanna Siegel, and Jason Stanley) has been delivered to Brian Leiter, who received it with good grace. We are in the process of collecting more signatures, and will soon make the letter public.

At this point, this is pretty much the best outcome anyone could hope for, in my opinion. It is now a matter of waiting to see how the situation will further unfold, but should Leiter agree to step down, a PGR led by a number of people from the current board seems like a very promising solution. Brian Weatherson weights in with some ideas/suggestions, and mentions in particular Leiter’s treatment of Linda Martín Alcoff a few years ago, which seems not to have been on the radar enough in recent discussions. (Every time I thought of the possibility of BL throwing some legalese at me on account of my post suggesting he step down from the PGR, I reassured myself that he had said similar things before about others, but with a different tone altogether.) 

However, there is another aspect of Brian Leiter’s behavior that seems worth noting. I’ve been contacted by a graduate student at Chicago offering the following testimony:

In the wake of recent events, I would like to make a few observations which will hopefully lend some perspective to the discussion. One is that, like myself, a number of the graduate students at the University of Chicago feel that Brian Leiter has been a positive presence on campus since his arrival in 2008. I can't speak for everyone, but in my experience, his conduct towards us has been exemplary. He meets regularly with students whose dissertations he is supervising, getting back to them promptly with written comments on every chapter draft they submit. And he has been particularly forthcoming with advice to students he isn't advising, taking the time to read and comment on drafts of their papers. He is known to be encouraging even to students whose philosophical views he emphatically disagrees with. We don't see him all that often, given that he is located across the Midway in the law school, but when we do, we are treated with the kind of respect typically accorded to intellectual peers. That treatment can be hard to come by as a graduate student, and means a great deal. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other senior philosopher who regularly invites students to give him feedback on drafts of his own work, or who listens to such feedback with the same level of seriousness. 

I share the concern that many have expressed over the nasty statements that appear in the emails under discussion, and would never condone them. Nor would I want to say anything that might inadvertently minimize the damage they appear to have caused. Nonetheless, it seems to me that if we are going to have a discussion about how to level power imbalances within the profession, what transpires in the day to day lives of graduate students deserves as much consideration as what transpires in the philosophical blogosphere. Here Professor Leiter has made a difference, and I think that is something worth registering.

This echoes what I’ve often heard from those who know Leiter personally, namely that in person he is kind and polite, and so entirely different from his Internet persona. (I never met him, except for having shared the elevator with him once at the APA, I suspect.) Now, that Leiter seems to take such good care of graduate students at Chicago suggests that concern for the welfare of students is indeed one of the chief motivations for developing and maintaining the PGR over the years, as he has often mentioned.

This does not lead me to re-evaluate my position that his abusive Internet behavior is incompatible with running the PGR (for reasons expounded here), but it adds a level of complexity to the person which risks to go unnoticed given the current situation.

 

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24 responses to “The PGR board letter, and a different perspective”

  1. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    It may be the ‘best outcome anyone could hope for’ given recent events, but I have to say I don’t see it as a good outcome. As I see it, one of two things will happen:
    (a) The PGR will fall into the hands of a new clique of powerful people. This will be bad for the credibility of the report, because they won’t have the reputation for impartiality (in the face of pressure from interest groups) that Leiter has built up over the years.
    (b) The PGR will be run in a fully democratic, accountable way. Sadly, this will make it highly vulnerable to lobbying by the aforementioned interest groups. Again, this will be bad for the credibility of the report.
    In truth, I feel that Leiter was uniquely placed to make this thing work. It’s his thing. He built it up over 20 years, in the process cultivating an image of someone outspoken but fundamentally honest, impartial and trustworthy. Maybe it was genuine, maybe it was all a facade — that’s not the point. The point is that enough people trusted him to make the thing work.
    It’s a real shame that he lost some of that stature with his recent emails. But that does not mean that there is anyone of equivalent stature ready to step into the void. There really isn’t.

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  2. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    I’m wondering how you can take someone to be impartial who denigrates a particular department, which focuses on a particular style of philosophy that BL dislikes, as “shit” and “mediocre”.

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  3. Rachel McKinnon Avatar
    Rachel McKinnon

    Lest we not forget that it was a woman graduate student “Current Student” that Leiter viciously attacked and told to leave the profession. So yes, the experiences of grad students does matter! But let’s not forget that grad students have also been his target of inappropriate attack.

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  4. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    One could propose a cynical interpretation to the observation that Leiter is very attentive towards the Chicago grad students: he cares about the Chicago placement records. But the reason why I wanted to post this testimony is simply to offer a counterbalance to conclusions to the effect that BL is an ‘evil’ person and such like. He’s behaved badly on a number of occasions, but it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t make positive, supportive contributions elsewhere.

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  5. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    I think anon’s point (a) is really important to keep in mind, though for a different reason. If Leiter is as generous and kind in his dealings with graduate students as Catarina’s correspondent suggests, then there is every reason to fear that others who step in his place will be corrupted by the power of the position too.

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  6. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    I don’t think this is necessarily true. What the above shows us is that students currently under the advisement of Brian are eager to clear his name. It is perfectly consistent for a person to be supportive to some, but demeaning to others (or even most others). Whether the demeaning behavior, in Brian’s case, is confined to his internet persona is not a hypothesis I find convincing as of yet. I find it more convincing that the online behavior is easier to record and is accessible to the victims in a way that offline attempts to damage one’s career are not. I, personally, am concerned not about Brian’s whole person but about particular actions, now public to all, and the effects of those actions, together with an unwillingness to accept responsibility for the harm that has been caused by those actions. I count myself among those who have been harmed. Whether the campaign against me started when I was a graduate student is a possibility I have certainly considered. That other graduate students are unharmed is, to me, irrelevant.

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  7. Manyul Im Avatar

    There’s lots of merit to separating Brian’s blogger voice from the PGR so I hope some kind of solution is worked out. Then the merits of the PGR can be disputed without worrying about Brian himself. I don’t really want to address the PGR in this comment. I just want to say something about Brian as a colleague and as someone who has known him for a long time. I don’t have anything professionally at stake here and I’ve avoided weighing in on social media about this thing but I like this forum so, here goes.
    I’ve known Brian since graduate school and this current debate about his character provides an opportune moment to remind everyone that no one should be judged by the standard of having to be categorized as either a saint or an evil-doer. Personally speaking, Brian is very likable though slightly rough on some edges; I’ve always put that off to his being from New York City — some people in NYC take a brusque and aggressively hostile general approach even to small talk. Having a background as a lawyer doesn’t soften that at all. Email communications add a further layer of complication and Brian, like most of us, probably regrets having clicked the send button on a number of messages.
    Professional communication isn’t, and shouldn’t always be, tantamount to what some people in the academy have been calling “civil” discussion. Whether a particular bit of communication is a case of bullying or not depends on the power relationship between the parties involved. And, to put the point mildly, there are a number of gendered power-inequality issues in philosophy as a profession. I don’t like Brian’s emails that I’ve seen posted online and spread throughout social media, on two levels. I don’t like their emotive content — they seem, on Brian’s part, to be unnecessarily hostile and personal for what seem to be attempts at issuing legal warnings. (Issuing legal warnings, just as an activity in itself, seems well within bounds of professional behavior, by the way.) But I also don’t like the “viral” quality of the evaluation and discussion of Brian’s emails. I don’t like it, but I fully understand why that’s happened — Brian is famous, or infamous, for voicing strong opinions on a well-read blog as well as being perceived as a kind of “king-maker” through his administration of the PGR. Nonetheless, I dislike subjecting Brian to a death of a thousand social media discussions because on a full accounting of his professional contributions, I’m pretty sure he’s done more good things than bad things overall. That doesn’t make him a saint, or relatedly, a martyr. I just think it’s worth pulling back on the number of things for people to sign online that condemn him professionally.

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  8. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    Thank you for these comments, what I had in mind when posting this testimony by a Chicago graduate student was precisely to highlight that there is more to BL’s professional contributions than his often inadequate behavior. However, the ‘things for people to sign online’ are not condemning him professionally as a whole; the statement is only about people declining to cooperate specifically with the PGR. It is not an evaluation of his professional achievements as a whole.

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  9. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    For the record, I completely agree with you. The fact that he is ‘nice’ to certain (junior) people in the profession does not change anything to the harm he has caused to others, yourself included. (Just be sure that this was not the point of publishing the testimony above!)

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  10. Anne Jacobson Avatar
    Anne Jacobson

    Though I generally dislike “Rate my professor” (or whatever it is called) it would seem to be a good idea to check it out when trying to evaluate the sincerity of student support. There should be two for Brian at least: Chicago and Texas.

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  11. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    Carolyn: just to clarify, I agree with you totally that the harm Leiter has done you (and others) is in no way diminished by testimony from other people that he didn’t harm them. So, I find it perfectly clear, understandable and justified that your concern lies with particular actions rather than with personality on a more general level.
    It’s not so clear to me, however, that the Chicago student is merely trying to clear Leiter’s name. I agree with you that it’s an open question whether Leiter is really as nice IRL as he is sometimes portrayed as being, but I do think there is good reason to think that his behavior is not so outrageously inappropriate, and that THIS is caused not just by the online persona but also by the power he wields as director of the PGR. If that’s right, then I think it’s right to worry about what will happen to those who take his place. I absolutely don’t think that this means he should stay on as director — I’m just thinking that this might mean that a ranking system like the PGR, insofar as it centralizes this disciplinary power so vigorously, is likely to give rise to all sorts of problems even with basically good people (which is not to say Leiter is that).

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  12. Senior Professor At a Top 20 Institution Avatar
    Senior Professor At a Top 20 Institution

    @Manyum Im: I’m sorry if this will sound simplistic, but: (i) Publicly humiliating people is doing a bad thing; (ii) Threatening people with public humiliation, legal action, etc, if they do not act as you wish, is also doing a bad thing; (iii) There can be no serious debate about whether Leiter has routinely done (i) and (ii) over the last umpteen years; (iv) Many, many, many people have objected, both publicly and privately, patiently and otherwise, to Leiter’s routinely doing (i) and (ii), without any effect, except to be subjected to just such behavior themselves (e.g,. threatened with lawsuits for “per se defamation”); (v) Sufficiently many people in philosophy are now fed up with Leiter’s routinely doing (i) and (ii) that they have acted in concert to try to deprive him of the power that allows him to act in such ways without consequence for himself; (vi) To describe that as “viral” and “death [by] a thousand social media discussions” is ridiculous.
    In short: This is about how someone is behaving in a certain respect, which is utterly unacceptable. It is not (or at least should not be) about that person, or their character, or anything else, except in so far as the person in question has demonstrated, repeatedly, not only that they are unwilling to change their behavior but, in fact, see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Even now, however, that person is making excuses for himself. He’s the victim, blah blah blah. Sorry, but to quote one of his comments on Feminist Philosophers: Bullshit. (http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2014/09/24/here-is-some-more-context/#comment-127221)
    I can understand if it is hard for you to fathom that this otherwise nice seeming but a little rough around the edges sort of fellow has this other side: that he repeatedly and habitually insults and degrades other people. I’ve been there. But if you are really his friend, maybe you could think about helping him see just how badly he hurts people (http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2014/09/24/sometimes-an-apology-doesnt-help/, http://www.newappsblog.com/2014/07/intelligence-as-a-criticism.html, etc, etc) and get him to stop.

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  13. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    Here is one reason to think that Brian’s behavior extends beyond the blogosphere: he appears to threaten as much to Noelle McAfee. (Look to the email that partly led to the Statement of Concern here: “5. If my e-mails to you “get around,” rest assured that other things will get around. I am tired of your sick nonsense. You are lucky to have any academic job, let alone a job at a nominally serious university. You should take your advice about ‘hubris’ a bit more seriously.”)
    Further, an anonymous commenter at Daily Nous, who uses the same “pernicious” label Brian himself uses to describe my influence, seems to think this extension into real life is necessary in cases like mine: “You cannot leave aside the question of whether Leiter’s criticisms are correct. If they are, then by publicizing her rankings, CDJ is doing harm to people whose status in the profession is even more vulnerable than her own allegedly is, and who may end up basing their career choices on in part on her flawed analysis. In that case, a harsh rebuke would appear justified. But, more fundamentally, I think your proposed norm of “discourse between the more and less powerful in our profession” is unjustifiable as it stands. Following it, any senior individuals, justifiably convinced that a junior individual is doing serious harm to the profession, would be bound to temper all criticisms in such a way that they could not significantly impede the rise of that junior individual’s pernicious personal influence. That strikes me as a deeply undesirable outcome. People who do serious harm to the profession should be stopped, and if they are junior, it is better they be stopped before they become senior and amass all the mystical powers successful senior philosophers in great cities apparently have. If, presently, it is senior individuals who are best placed to do the stopping, and they fail to do so, they are derelict in their professional obligations to the rest of us. The real problem, as before, is determining whether any given individual actually is doing harm or not.”
    Brian’s initial post did not bother me as much as this comment did. To me, in its darkest interpretation, it hints at a campaign to end my career (which, if true, did not seem to have much effect). This was more than hinted in the email to Noelle. Unlike Brian’s graduate students, both Noelle and I were perceived to be a threat to the PGR, and so it is no surprise that they have not been subjected to this sort of behavior, or at least are anonymously putting forward such testimony. But to me, this sort of testimony is unhelpful and does not deserve air time.

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  14. Ed Kazarian Avatar

    The letter, it seems worth emphasizing, is quite completely irrelevant to the matters at hand, which have nothing to do with how Leiter behaves towards graduate students at his own institution. It would be helpful if people kept that clearly in mind.

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  15. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    Carolyn, it’s pretty extreme to insinuate that anonymous comments that are critical of you are coming from Leiter. The use of the word ‘pernicious’ is not strong evidence. I also think you are exaggerating the ‘threat’. In context, it seems very likely to me that they mean ‘stopped from doing serious harm to the profession’, not ‘stopped’ in the sense of having their career ended.
    As for Noelle McAfee, is it not possible that, in threatening that ‘other things will get around’, Leiter was referring to the details of their feud, including her alleged attempts to vandalize his Wikipedia page? In which case, he has already carried out the threat. I fail to see why the phrase ‘things will get around’ must be given a banal interpretation when uttered by McAfee but a sinister interpretation when uttered by Leiter.
    (I expect that these thoughts will be unpopular around here, but I hope you publish them anyway. By the way, I am neither Leiter nor the author of the Daily Nous comment, and do not wish to be associated with the views of either.)

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  16. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    This is exactly why Leiter simply cannot run the PGR anymore (among other reasons). A lot of his worst reactions were prompted by what he perceived as ‘threats’ to the PGR: you and Linda Martin Alcoff spring to mind, but there are certainly others.

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  17. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    The testimony of the Chicago graduate student is certainly irrelevant to the matters at hand, but it might be relevant once people start making pronouncements about what an ‘awful person’ BL is and other character attributes. (I’ve been deliberately not approving comments along these lines, but they are being made.) Generally, I think further polarization is not going to help the situation.

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  18. J Avatar
    J

    Carolyn (at #14): the comment you quote is chilling.
    Not to mention totally, completely, “jump the shark” over-the-top. I have no idea how anyone could take the work you’ve been doing on collating and analyzing job placement data as coming close to justifying the abuse you’ve received from Leiter, or the sort of reaction described in that quote. It’s depressing and sad that we’ve ended up with a profession in which so many of us don’t know how to be critical without engaging in bullying and abuse. I’m really sorry that you’ve been subject to this.

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  19. Joe Avatar
    Joe

    I do appreciate these sentiments, especially as a grad student who has not experienced this kind of treatment and who is measurably the worse for it. I wish I were at Chicago. But the CDJ incident is telling here, because in my view no-one is doing more in our discipline to identify and shame schools that mistreat grad students than Carolyn Dicey Jennings. So, what we have, at best, is evidence of parochial respect for grad students, not global respect for grad students. Anyone who was truly worried about the issues that matter most to grads would not have reacted to viciously to the publication of placement/prestige comparisons.
    w.r.t the PGR, it’s very important to distinguish between information prospective grads think they need and information they need. The fact that many of us felt as though the PGR information was useful does not mean that it was useful to all or even a majority of us. It is entirely possible that we made bad decisions without knowing it. Finally, lists of comments from professors describing how useful the PGR was are of no evidentiary value, since those of us who have been the victims of attrition, neglect and lack of job-market preparation are less likely to follow blogosphere drama, having presumably moved on to other paths.

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  20. Manyul Im Avatar

    @Senior Professor At a Top 20 Institution:
    I agree with you that this should not be about Brian’s character; my comment was really to that point and if what people are in fact doing is addressing the effects of his behavior, then there are a couple of points I’d like to restate. It’s not hard for me to fathom that Brian, or anyone, has it in them to lash out against people. Again, I don’t like the personal elements attached to the legal warnings he has sent. And I appreciate your advice to me about how I should advise Brian as a friend. I’m not sure it is ridiculous to describe the current phenomenon of social media conversation about Brian as “viral” — have you seen the Facebook posts? — or that such conversations can result to a host of judgments about a person that can’t all be addressed by the person.
    That said, I don’t think threatening people with legal action is obviously bad, especially in response to a perceived defamation — it might be legally unfounded or overreactive, but at least with legal action, there’s recourse to a fair judgement about its merits. Whether that’s done in the service of bullying or oppression is a further question, and I think a legitimate source of concern.

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  21. Carolyn Dicey Jennings Avatar

    I think it is possible that the comment was written by Brian, due to the language being used. I also think it possible that the post was written by someone merely sympathetic to Brian. It could still, in that case, hint at an attempt to end my career, but only “in its darkest interpretation,” as I say above. Here is another hint: after I put up a post that called into question Leiter’s claim that he was “egalitarian” in my case, he put up the following on his blog (after the break): “I do hope Prof. Jennings will return to her scholarship and stop digging her hole deeper in this matter. Having secured a tenure-track job at a UC campus, following a prestigious post-doc, she is undoubtedly a very capable scholar. But her obsession with this issue, and her repeated misrepresentations, usually at my expense, are doing her no good.” Why mention my career in all of this? Perhaps it is a perfectly innocent attempt to inspire self-pride, after insinuating elsewhere that I am not smart enough for this profession and that I am not an adult (“Having talked to a number of adults about CDJ, I’ve yet to see any sympathy for her posture in this matter.”). That interpretation seems less reasonable to me than the one in which he is trying to threaten me into silence. Note that I took these sentences to be a threat that if I did not remove the post he would continue to damage my career. I removed my post, and he removed these sentences. An innocent interpretation of this would have to, I think, ignore the context in which the utterance is being said.

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  22. Catarina Dutilh Novaes Avatar

    I agree, and I just want to say, in case it is not clear, that Carolyn has my full and unconditional support. She is one of the bravest persons I know (although we never met!), among other things for having ‘dared’ to put together an alternative ranking (not to mention the amount of work that went into it!) based on the very sensible criterion of placement data. My feeling is that, if anything, Carolyn has emerged from this episode with an even stronger positive reputation than before, and rightly so.

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  23. r Avatar
    r

    @Manyul Im: threats of legal action are reprehensible when 1) the legal action obviously has no chance of success on the merits and 2) the purpose of the threat is to bully someone who either doesn’t know 1, or, who even if they know 1, cannot afford the time, expense, and disruption to their life which would be involved in fielding the required legal defense. Some jurisdictions have even adopted special legislation to prevent this sort of baseless legal harassment–they have special mechanisms trying to combat ‘Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation,’ or SLAPP suits, which is exactly what this is.
    In other words, it is misleading to portray this as JUST a threat of legal action. It’s true that not all threats of legal action are bad, not even threats that ultimately would not prevail on the merits–because there are burdens of judgment, and margins of error, and so on. But it is central to this case that Leiter’s legal threats are SO UTTERLY baseless that they constitute nothing other than a form of harassment.
    I couldn’t care less that Leiter has called Derrida a charlatan, and though I think it’s wrong for him to be so reflexively nasty, I also have misgivings about making that in particular the basis of a campaign to remove him from his editorship–so I wouldn’t think of myself as a pitchfork wielder or anything. However, I think it’s important to recognize that the legal threats he’s issued are categorically inappropriate. If anything, I’m shocked that people are focusing so much on other elements of the case and not the huge and obvious wrong.

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