by Eric Schwitzgebel

Let’s say the world is morally ordered if good things come to those who act morally well and bad things come to those who act morally badly.


Moral order admits of degrees. We might say that the world is perfectly morally ordered if everyone gets exactly what they morally deserve, perfectly immorally ordered if everyone gets the opposite of what they morally deserve, and has no moral order if there’s no relationship between what one deserves and what one gets.

Moral order might vary by subgroup of individuals considered. Perhaps the world is better morally ordered in 21st century Sweden than it was in 1930s Russia. Perhaps the world is better morally ordered among some ethnicities or social classes than among others. Class differences highlight the different ways in which moral order can fail: Moral order can fail among the privileged if they do not suffer for acting badly, can fail among the disadvantaged if they do not benefit from acting well.


Moral order might vary by action type. Sexual immorality might more regularly invite disaster than financial immorality, or vice versa. Kindness to those you know well might precipitate deserved benefits or undeserved losses more dependably than kindness to strangers.

Moral order can be immanent or transcendent. Transcendent moral order is ensured by an afterlife. Immanent moral order eschews the afterlife and is either magical (mystical attraction of good or bad fortune) or natural.

Some possible natural mechanisms of immanent moral order:

* A just society. Obviously.

* A natural attraction to morality of the sort Mencius finds in us. Our hearts are delighted, Mencius says, when we see people do what’s plainly good and revolted when we see people do what’s plainly wrong. Even if this impulse is weak, it might create a constant pressure to reward people for doing the right and revile them for doing the wrong; and it might add pleasure to one’s own personal choices of the right over the wrong.

* The Dostoyevskian and Shakespearian psychological reactions to crime. Crime might generate fear of punishment or exposure, including exaggerated fear; it might lead to a loss of intimacy with others if one must hide one’s criminal side from them; and it might encourage further crimes, accumulating risk.

* Shaping our preferences toward noncompetitive goods over competitive ones. If you aim to be richer than your neighbors, or more famous, or triumphant in physical, intellectual, or social battle, then you put your happiness at competitive risk. The competition might encourage morally bad choices; and maybe success in such aims is poorly morally ordered or even negatively morally ordered. Desires for non-competitive goods — the pleasures of shared friendship and a good book — seem less of a threat to the moral order (though books and leisure time are not free, and so subject to some competitive pressures). And if it’s the case that we can find as much or more happiness in easily obtainable non-competitive goods, then even if wealth goes to the jerks, the world might be better morally ordered than it at first seems.

How morally ordered is the world? Do we live in a world where the knaves flourish while the sweethearts are crushed underfoot? Or do people’s moral choices tend to come back around to them in the long run? No question, I think, is more central to one’s general vision of the world, that is, to one’s philosophy in the broad and and proper sense of “philosophy”. All thoughtful people have at least implicit opinions about the matter, I think — probably explicit opinions, too.

Yet few contemporary philosophers address the issue in print. We seem happy to leave the question to writers of fiction.

[Cross-posted at The Splintered Mind.]

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10 responses to “Moral Order and Immanent Justice”

  1. Clement Loo Avatar
    Clement Loo

    Eric,
    I like the notion of moral order, insofar in that is strikes me as a fun idea to think about but I have a question that might be relevant to the reason philosophers might not talk much about moral order: What role would moral order have for moral philosophy or political philosophy?
    Should we be thinking about morally ordered world as something we’d like to achieve?
    If it is the case that moral order ought to be a goal we aim towards then what does moral order give us more than say fair distribution or fair participation (other than perhaps as a measure of whether we’re achieving fair distribution and participation)? Also it seems to be the case that many things relevant to moral order depend on and are shaped by things that humans have very little control about (if I’m correct in my unexamined belief that many things affecting happiness and welfare are accidental and have little to do with how social structures or institutions or even individual interactions reward some over others). How would that be addressed?
    If it isn’t the case that you believe that moral order is some sort of goal for moral or political philosophy then how are some ways that moral order might be relevant to the domain of moral or political philosophy?
    I think if you could offer a suggestion regarding a potential answer for any of the above questions, that might start the ball rolling on people thinking more about moral order.

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  2. Christy Mag Uidhir Avatar
    Christy Mag Uidhir

    Eric, how do you think there being largely an immoral order to the world (i.e., that the vast majority of people get not what they morally deserve but instead approximately the opposite thereof) bears–directly, indirectly, or not all–upon the commonsense constraint that whatever the correct normative ethical theory may be, it can’t be one according to which people are, in the main, moral monsters?

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  3. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Thanks for the thoughtful comments, Clement and Christy!
    Clement: Some political philosophy is directed toward a vision of increasing the the moral order of society; but (a.) political philosophy tends to be normative and I’m more interested in the empirical question, and (b.) political arrangements, at least narrowly conceived, are only a piece of the picture. Much of the picture is more psychological and interpersonal: How does cheating on one’s spouse tend to make one feel? Are jerks happy? I find myself attracted to a Confucian vision that recognizes some truth in Mencius but also perhaps emphasizes Xunzi’s picture of aiming toward a political and personal philosophy artificially structured toward increasing moral order.
    Christy: The two pieces you mention seem to fit together quite naturally! Here’s how I see them fitting: Most people deserve far better than they get, but society is structured so that the worst tyrannize the rest. I’m not saying that’s right; but it’s one way to hang together your commonsense constraint with an immoral world order.

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  4. Clement Loo Avatar
    Clement Loo

    Eric,
    Okay, I can see where you’re going with this. I’m completely unfamiliar with Chinese philosophy – so I can’t comment on moral order’s relevance to Mencius or Confucius. But, now that I think about it, the empirical question about moral order is relevant for people interested in virtue ethics as well. For example: was Aristotle correct; does being virtuous lead to eudaimonia?
    The question then is how does one explore moral order in an empirical way? I think there are fairly standard tools to measure happiness but how does one measure the independent variable of being a better person? Are there any existing tests for that?

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  5. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Clement: Right, there are plenty of precedents for the moral order view (or at least partial versions of it) in the west, though the issue has somewhat slipped out of fashion. Measuring happiness and measuring morality are both very tricky (and I’m not sure that happiness or unhappiness is exactly what the moral order view requires; that’s an extra argumentative step). I’m with Dan Haybron on the difficulty of measuring happiness. And we’re nowhere close to developing the moralometer! So it’s one of those tricky issues that requires broad thinking about a wide range of considerations both philosophical and psychological — exactly the kind of issue I’ve always loved.

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  6. Don Hoepfer Avatar
    Don Hoepfer

    Thank you for this post, Eric.

    I am a little curious about the scope you have in mind for the moral order. Are we talking about moral order within the capacity of humans to arrange deserts and punishments? Or are we talking about moral order not limited to human scope? Are we just concerned for complaints that society is unjust or are we also concerned for complaints that life is unfair? The mention of immanent order seems to me to speak toward the idea of morally ordered universe, but I read the mechanisms listed as human directed.

    I have come to wonder if the notion of a morally ordered universe isn’t the product of our too-often frustrated desires for a morally ordered human society. We want to be treated fairly and, when we aren’t, we look for some immanent or transcendent whatever-it-is to promise us that things will be set right. How often do we encounter people whose thinking runs: “If we can’t successfully appeal to people to be fair and just, maybe we can appeal to the universe somehow to restore the order that ought to be there. God will reward. Karma will correct.”

    I admit to a personal interest in my response. I have lost all confidence that it makes any sense to speak of the universe as fair, just, or morally ordered in any fashion. (Again, I am not taking this to be your primary concern. I mostly just want to talk.) My wife died 10 months ago after nine grueling years with cancer. She was, to me, the best person I know. Loving, compassionate, elegant, humble. Nearly everyone who met her loved her. She was indeed the “sweetheart crushed underfoot”, undergoing multiple surgeries, chemotherapies, and experimental targeted therapies. She suffered disability, humiliation, agonizing pain, anxiety, fear, anger. We had many conversations that “life is unfair”. Just recognizing the unfairness becomes uninteresting quickly. That so many people expect fairness out of life pricks at me and fascinates me. Some of the least helpful comments to us have been motivated by an expectation of moral order. Some people openly wondered what my wife did to bring on her cancer? (She had no known risk factors for this rare cancer.) Some people sought to comfort us by expressing their confidence that her cancer (even her death) happened for a reason. It was clear from there conversations that the reasons they had in mind were moral reasons and not simply mechanistic ones.

    Well, thank you for hearing me out. I suppose I merely wanted to echo your last paragraph. We don’t seem to talk much about this even though much of our popular culture seems to make assumptions that there is a moral order to the world – and perhaps to our society.

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  7. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Don, how horrible about your wife! It is very much easier to think that life is fair when all is well and you’re riding high. When things come crashing down, some people might find comfort in the thought that there is some transcedental rectification, but from a secular perspective that can sound hollow or even insulting. That pattern of thinking is an important part of the psychology of philosophy here — the psychology of the belief in moral order. Developmental psychologists have found origins of it in early childhood (“just-world thinking” and “immanent justice”). I think such thinking is simultaneously irrational, beautifully aspirational, and objectionably affirmatory of the status quo. (Still can’t hang all that together in my mind.)

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  8. Don Hoepfer Avatar
    Don Hoepfer

    Thank you, Eric.

    I agree that there is something beautiful – and useful – about the aspiration to see a world of immanent justice. I witnessed in my wife as well as in several other cancer patients, a deep struggle with meaning. The diagnosis and menace of cancer (perhaps not in every case) shatters one’s view of a world of safety and order. They challenge one’s personal identity. Cancer lurks. It strikes seemingly at random and threatens a return. (Sorry for the drama. Tough time of year.) A significant part of the cancer experience is the struggle to assert personal identity and discover or create meaning in one’s world. Seeking ways in which things are made right – justice – can make a huge difference in one’s personal experience if not in one’s progression toward health. There is a way for the irrational view of immanent justice to hang with the beautifully aspirational quality of it. Quite how they hang together, I don’t have yet. I wish I’d had it when Julie most needed it.

    peace

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  9. Zury Asse Avatar
    Zury Asse

    Perhaps these questions might benefit if we introduce the time dimension: the world is trying to become more immanently morally ordered by artificial (artifitial is natural?) intervention. That is why we are struggling to find a cure for cancer for instance.
    In that sense every notoriously unfair case helps raise awareness and increase this artifitial struggle. That provides a little bit of sense to individual unfairness as helping the whole’s future, though admittedly not nearly enough. Actually if that would be a planned feature for self-improvement by the universe it would almost make it more unfair. We should not sacrifice any part to improve the whole unless the part does it voluntarily, in which case it is no longer a sacrifice.
    Anyway, perhaps with the advent of a very powerful ‘artfitial’ intelligence, immanent moral order will be achieved.

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  10. Eric Schwitzgebel Avatar

    Zury: Maybe so! Sounds a little like the theodicy that “I have faith that it all serves a greater purpose that we don’t understand”, transhumanist version.

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